god dang that looked bad

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The same maintenance crew works Aqueduct, Belmont and Saratoga, so your opinion is completely contradictory.

The " If you don't like Polytrack you don't care about the safety of horses " argument is only used by people who have an indefensible position and know it. Your following idiocy only further stresses your lack of a defensible argument. I said I was " dubious " of Polytrack, and unlike zealots like yourself, and yes you have clearly established an anti-NYRA agenda on this site, I prefer to take a wait and see approach about the surface. As another poster stated here, Woodbine is having huge problems with their surface, so regardless of what you would like people to believe these Polytrack surfaces have NOT proven to be better for racing all around.

If you care so much about the safety of horses, as I'm sure your interests in this game are not at all financially motivated, then why haven't you organized a PETA demonstration in front of racetracks around the country? Surely you aren't going to insist that this sport is only concerned with the safety of animals. If that was the case horse racing would be shut down immediately.

The maintenance crew this year didn't take care of the other tracks while they were away. They said they couldn't afford it. Belmont was taken care of by a skeleton crew while they were at Saratoga. Everyone knows this, atleast everyone that claims to know the game.

Woodbine is not having huge problems. Do you just make up things?

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35063

Why is Pletcher and other like Dutrow heading off to run on it?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

The maintenance crew this year didn't take care of the other tracks while they were away. They said they couldn't afford it. Belmont was taken care of by a skeleton crew while they were at Saratoga. Everyone knows this, atleast everyone that claims to know the game.

Woodbine is not having huge problems. Do you just make up things?

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35063

Why is Pletcher and other like Dutrow heading off to run on it?

There was an extensive article on DRF last week about the problems at Woodbine. It is no longer in their archives but I will reprint it momentarily.

Pletcher and Dutrow will be doing the bulk of their California racing on the dirt course at Santa Anita. The reaon Todd is going, and this is obvious to anybody without an agenda, is simply a numbers one. He has too many horses in all the conditions to only run at Aqueduct and Gulfstream.

Keep 'em coming.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There was an extensive article on DRF last week about the problems at Woodbine. It is no longer in their archives but I will reprint it momentarily.

Pletcher and Dutrow will be doing the bulk of their California racing on the dirt course at Santa Anita. The reaon Todd is going, and this is obvious to anybody without an agenda, is simply a numbers one. He has too many horses in all the conditions to only run at Aqueduct and Gulfstream.

Keep 'em coming.

It is nice to know that you know why Pletcher is going. He said publicly he was going for the synthetic surface, not numbers.

"The main reason is Polytrack is out there," Pletcher said. "We thought about going out there before, but one of the concerns was always how safe the surfaces are out there. Obviously, the purses are good ... Mister [Michael] Tabor wants his horses training on Polytrack when possible."
http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=20159

[blackthroatedwind]

Then I guess he is shipping back East after Hollywood closes. I hadn't known that. Thanks for the info.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There was an extensive article on DRF last week about the problems at Woodbine. It is no longer in their archives but I will reprint it momentarily.

Pletcher and Dutrow will be doing the bulk of their California racing on the dirt course at Santa Anita. The reaon Todd is going, and this is obvious to anybody without an agenda, is simply a numbers one. He has too many horses in all the conditions to only run at Aqueduct and Gulfstream.

Keep 'em coming.

Blackthroat,
Sumitas put a link to the blog from Woodbine. It's in the poly room.
Seems the stuff has problems once it's been frosted.
Anyway, I agree with just about all that you've said on this thread.
Hope the jocks are fine, and rip Mountain General.
At least a Flying Zee was the winner, though small consolation, considering.
DTS

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

The maintenance crew this year didn't take care of the other tracks while they were away. They said they couldn't afford it. Belmont was taken care of by a skeleton crew while they were at Saratoga. Everyone knows this, atleast everyone that claims to know the game.

Woodbine is not having huge problems. Do you just make up things?

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=35063

Why is Pletcher and other like Dutrow heading off to run on it?

woodbine IS having problems. evidently you missed that article. the wax isn't holding the other garbage in the track together. too much fiber coming to the top, and now they are allowing toe grabs to try to help the horses get a grip on it. the cold weather is the key there. just like it would be in new york. turfway had to rework their track after one year of the stuff. this new stuff is not the panacea it was sold as being.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

woodbine IS having problems. evidently you missed that article. the wax isn't holding the other garbage in the track together. too much fiber coming to the top, and now they are allowing toe grabs to try to help the horses get a grip on it. the cold weather is the key there. just like it would be in new york. turfway had to rework their track after one year of the stuff. this new stuff is not the panacea it was sold as being.

This is old news. How is that HUGE problems? They have to tweak it like any new surface.

[Danzig]

well, seeing as how all the horsemen are up in arms about a surface billed to be raceable, and proving it isn't...i'd classify that as a big problem, especially since right now, during the season, they can't exactly tweak it. so they add toe grabs, which many believe is a large problem in itself.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

This is old news. How is that HUGE problems? They have to tweak it like any new surface.

oh, and not OLD news, they just had the article a couple of days ago.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

oh, and not OLD news, they just had the article a couple of days ago.

It is the same kickback issue. It has been a problem for quite some time. Do you follow Woodbine at all or know anyone there? There has been an overuse problem that is causing this. They just need to tweak it, cut down on the overuse, and put some water into the track.

[Danzig]

no, it wasn't just kickback. the wax isn't holding everything together like it was supposed to.
and why would they allow toe grabs if it was just kickback??

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

no, it wasn't just kickback. the wax isn't holding everything together like it was supposed to.
and why would they allow toe grabs if it was just kickback??

thanks to Sumitas, here's the link:
http://jen-thoroughbreds.blogspot.co...searching.html

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

no, it wasn't just kickback. the wax isn't holding everything together like it was supposed to.
and why would they allow toe grabs if it was just kickback??

The wax not holding causes the kickback. It just needs to be tweaked, primarily the amount of water that must be used.

[packerbacker7964]

Buy your track and install what in the hell you want. Poly-track cost a ****load of money. Where in the hell do you get that kind of dough?