Return to consos on P4/P5/P6

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

Guess he doesn't like the rule either....or more like doesn't know them either. Ever notice how people constantly complain something isn't fair based alone on the fact it doesn't go the way they wanted it too? Frankly after Saturday I kind of wish I didn't bet so much. I'll get over it I'm sure. As for him, well.....

You couldn't have misinterpreted my post any more. I completely benefitted by getting the post time favorite after POE scratched...

If for some reason Wise Dan didn't win, there would be massive blather about this. It's worth at least discussing the conso. v. post time fave.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

You couldn't have misinterpreted my post any more. I completely benefitted by getting the post time favorite after POE scratched...

If for some reason Wise Dan didn't win, there would be massive blather about this. It's worth at least discussing the conso. v. post time fave.

The problem is there is never going to be a "fair" thing to do. Some people will prefer a conso and some will prefer the post time favorite. Either way one group will not be happy with how it is handled.

The fairest thing to do would be to allow people to select a replacement horse in the place of the scratched horse. But that is a logistic nightmare and would create chaos.

Personally my opinion on this is situational based on how it will benefit me the most. If the scratch leaves me with the favorite that I like, I think the rule is fine. If I get the favorite I don't like, I would prefer the conso.

Unfortunately I suspect most think this way, which puts us back where we started. One group is going to be upset.

How about a deadline for trainers to scratch their horse? Based on what I read from the original posters post....the delayed scratch by the trainer is what caused this a discussion.

[Travis Stone]

There is never a right answer to this stuff. It is sort of annoying they scratched so late in the day. Rain was the topic of conversation for the entire week.

I've always thought that giving each ticket the "next lowest uncovered horse" was an interesting idea.

[ranger5830]

Although I rarely play the pick 6, I think having a conso is a bad idea. People play the pick 6 to make a "life changing score", not to make back their investment plus a couple hundred bucks. Denying them the right to the top payout doesnt seem fair and I would think most pick 6 players would be against it. If you don't want to default to the favorite, make alternate selections before the start of the pick 6 an option, I don't know if any jurisdictions still do that after the Volponi Breeders Cup fiasco.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ranger5830

Although I rarely play the pick 6, I think having a conso is a bad idea. People play the pick 6 to make a "life changing score", not to make back their investment plus a couple hundred bucks. Denying them the right to the top payout doesnt seem fair and I would think most pick 6 players would be against it. If you don't want to default to the favorite, make alternate selections before the start of the pick 6 an option, I don't know if any jurisdictions still do that after the Volponi Breeders Cup fiasco.

seriously? what a mess that would turn into. and better a conso/live ticket then just a cancellation of the entire bet.
it's part of playing the pick 6 ticket, things happen.

[PatCummings]

I think you guys are seriously underestimating the blow back had Wise Dan not won.

[ranger5830]

Originally Posted by Danzig

seriously? what a mess that would turn into. and better a conso/live ticket then just a cancellation of the entire bet.
it's part of playing the pick 6 ticket, things happen.

Maybe I didn't express myself clearly, nobody (at least not me) is talking about ticket cancellation at all. Here in CA at the otb if you fill out a bet card for a pick 4/5/6/etc there is one field of numbers for your main selections in a race, and then right below it there is a separate field for alternate selections. If one of your main choices was scratched and you chose an alternate for that race, it would become the replacement pick. If no alternate was chosen, you would receive the post-time favorite.

I know it was done that way for years and only turned into a mess because of one unscrupulous employee at autotote. But I think the current method of defaulting to the favorite is fine and in my opinion is better than depriving people the chance at a big score by reducing their ticket to a conso.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

There is never a right answer to this stuff. It is sort of annoying they scratched so late in the day. Rain was the topic of conversation for the entire week.

I've always thought that giving each ticket the "next lowest uncovered horse" was an interesting idea.

It is, but what do you mean by "next lowest uncovered". If you mean from win pool odds, now you are asking for trouble because one pool is influencing another, which is specifically forbidden in the rules that I have seen. Pools must be completely seperate. If you mean within the framework of the leg of the horizontal, then that would solve problem #1, but due to pool inefficiency, I would then have no idea who I had for sure. Idea is good in theory, but execution is going to be a problem.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

How about a deadline for trainers to scratch their horse? Based on what I read from the original posters post....the delayed scratch by the trainer is what caused this a discussion.

you'd still have late scratches with gate issues and the like.

yes, shug waited as long as possible to declare, which tells me he was hoping to run, but the weather didn't cooperate.
this is one of the reasons why it's called gambling, not winning. plenty of factors come into play.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

How about a deadline for trainers to scratch their horse? Based on what I read from the original posters post....the delayed scratch by the trainer is what caused this a discussion.

First, because it was a stakes race, the scratch was completely within the rules. Second, all most likely senarios that happen by making that horse run are bad. If the trainer knows the horse, and I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he does, the horse would have had a boatload of money bet on him and he would have run badly. His backers are screwed and the participants in the race are endangered. Finally, this is no different at its most fundemental level than if the horse flipped in the paddock and killed himself. Going to try to make rules so he has to run then?