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Old 05-03-2013, 09:28 AM
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Very good article. I like Verrazano more from a rooting interest because I sense that if anyone in the field has the potential to sweep the TC it would be him. The Wood has me wondering though. Normandy Invasion was gaining ground on him late and it was difficult for me to tell how much Verrazano had to give at the finish or whether JV ever saw him coming.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:46 AM
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Very good article. I like Verrazano more from a rooting interest because I sense that if anyone in the field has the potential to sweep the TC it would be him. The Wood has me wondering though. Normandy Invasion was gaining ground on him late and it was difficult for me to tell how much Verrazano had to give at the finish or whether JV ever saw him coming.
I simply didn't care for Verrazano's last race...I think he's taken a small step backwards in each of his three most recent starts, all of which at progressive distances (8f, 8.5f, and finally 9f) and I can never trust a Pletcher horse who raced heavily in the winter, primarily in Florida, to run a peak race at Churchill Downs.

There is a question mark with Goldencents at 10 furlongs, but much like horses like Funny Cide and War Emblem, he popped his best race going 9 furlongs in his final prep... so, if he's that much better at 9f than shorter distances, who worry about 10f?

Here are the pp's for Goldencents, his figures when adjusted for pace have gone forward in every race of his life so far, with the biggest jump forward coming at 9f:

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Old 05-03-2013, 09:59 AM
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I simply didn't care for Verrazano's last race...I think he's taken a small step backwards in each of his three most recent starts, all of which at progressive distances (8f, 8.5f, and finally 9f) and I can never trust a Pletcher horse who raced heavily in the winter, primarily in Florida, to run a peak race at Churchill Downs.

There is a question mark with Goldencents at 10 furlongs, but much like horses like Funny Cide and War Emblem, he popped his best race going 9 furlongs in his final prep... so, if he's that much better at 9f than shorter distances, who worry about 10f?

Here are the pp's for Goldencents, his figures when adjusted for pace have gone forward in every race of his life so far, with the biggest jump forward coming at 9f:

i want orb to win, but goldencents is the one that i think will win it.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:38 AM
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i want orb to win, but goldencents is the one that i think will win it.
I'm taking a stand against Goldencents ... I simply don't think he's going to like the 10 panels at all and I can see him backing up in the stretch. With that said, now the horse will win and I'll be ripping tickets. LOL
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Old 05-04-2013, 05:31 AM
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I'm taking a stand against Goldencents ... I simply don't think he's going to like the 10 panels at all and I can see him backing up in the stretch. With that said, now the horse will win and I'll be ripping tickets. LOL
Agree and I think Krigger is caught up in the magic of Derby week and doesn't have the seasoning against fields bigger than the usual 5-6 horses they typically run in Cali. Just my opinion. He hits the super and I am filing my ticket into the tax folder (which I have done each and every Derby anyway)
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:37 AM
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:09 AM
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:41 AM
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Old 05-03-2013, 01:35 PM
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Consensus..................$1 Oaks-Derby DD will pays. Over 1/2 million in pool.
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Orb-140......................14/27
Goldenencents-78........25/45
Revolutionary-73..........24/43
Itsmyluckyday-68.........34/45
Normandy Invasion-57..23/41
Verrazano-46...............22/45
Java's War-42..............79/132
Govenor Charlie-21 SCR
MyLute-19...................94/107
Oxbow-16...................139/205
Overanalyze-16............60/86
Lines of Battle-12.........114/176
Palice Malice-11............95/164
Will Take Charge-10......166/245
Black Onyx-8 SCR
Vyjack-5......................114/156
Falling Sky-4................283/586
Frac Daddy-4................207/351
Charming Kitten-0.........202/330
Golden Soul-0...............254/435
Super Ninety Nine-3 SCR
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Old 05-03-2013, 02:26 PM
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Old 05-03-2013, 04:09 PM
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:46 PM
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