2013 Hall of Fame Inductees

[keithting]

Speaking of jockeys and the HOF - -

why is Mike Venezia not in?

what about Don MacBeth?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by keithting

Speaking of jockeys and the HOF - -

why is Mike Venezia not in?

what about Don MacBeth?

You forgot Lee Moon.

[PatCummings]

All bets off on HOF inductees once Point Given got in having never faced older horses (and didn't win Triple Crown - which is essentially the only way in which you could avoid open races and still earn admission IMO).

[art vanderlay]

No love for Carl Gambardella? 6,349 wins and $29,389,041 in earnings, which around these parts was quite a fortune.

https://www.equibase.com/profiles/Re...ype=J&eID=675#

[Merlinsky]

How much does a horse from outside the US need to start here for people to seriously consider them for our Hall of Fame? I'm not clear one what it's taken in the past, and I get that a once a year pop into our country for the Breeders' Cup is likely not enough. There are some with extraordinary achievements such as Goldikova who haven't really been here much and yet, those 3 BC wins...Are they their own reward and you just keep on moving when selecting nominees?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

All bets off on HOF inductees once Point Given got in having never faced older horses (and didn't win Triple Crown - which is essentially the only way in which you could avoid open races and still earn admission IMO).

Crack a history book, Pat.

Plenty of horses in the Hall Of Fame who defy your criteria. Start with Northern Dancer and Majestic Prince.

If you win the Preakness, Belmont, Haskell, and Travers, you're probably getting in.

He was a photo finish defeat by Macho Uno away from winning a 2-year-old championship in an above average crop juvenile crop.

It's amazing that people complain more about horses who were genuinely among the very best in a solid crop... than they do about jockeys who were usually about 6th or 7th best in the room at the track they rode at.

Ultimately, the sport is about the horses.

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Crack a history book, Pat.

Plenty of horses in the Hall Of Fame who defy your criteria. Start with Northern Dancer and Majestic Prince.

If you win the Preakness, Belmont, Haskell, and Travers, you're probably getting in.

He was a photo finish defeat by Macho Uno away from winning a 2-year-old championship in an above average crop juvenile crop.

It's amazing that people complain more about horses who were genuinely among the very best in a solid crop... than they do about jockeys who were usually about 6th or 7th best in the room at the track they rode at.

Ultimately, the sport is about the horses.

True, but I'd guess a KD win carried a lot of weight for ND and MP.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by PeteMugg

True, but I'd guess a KD win carried a lot of weight for ND and MP.

Bimelech never won a single stake race against older horses and didn't win the Kentucky Derby. There are others.

[horseofcourse]

I don't really get the opposition to Invasor. He won a triple crown on another continent, came to America and won 6 straight grade 1s on 6 different race tracks including the Bc Classic and Dubai world Cup. In today's world of shortened careers and less races, I don't think too many in the future will equal his resume.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

All bets off on HOF inductees once Point Given got in having never faced older horses (and didn't win Triple Crown - which is essentially the only way in which you could avoid open races and still earn admission IMO).

maybe it had something to do with the way he drubbed the competition every time he was allowed to. (Attn Gary Stevens;rushing him into suicidal pace in the Derby). The older hosses wouldn't dare run against him.

Invasor was a Hoss of the Year, that probably got him in. Lure and House weren't...just sayin.