Lets put a group together and bid....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Why charge more than $2-3 when you are going to rip them off at the window and on the scales. NYRA needed a detention barn because drugs were so out of control. No horseman or gamblers have ever been cheated? Read the NYRA report I attached. It is basically run by organized crime.

Rip them off at the windows? That's quite a distortion of the facts. NYRA has more than competitive take-out rates and the only reason they raised WPS 1% recently was in order to be able to institute a rebate program. While this program is not agressive it is certainly better than any Magna is offering. You know Magna....the group with a higher takeout than NYRA.

As for the incident you refer to concerning weights or the " scales ". There is no evidence of any wongdoing, and an analysis of the data from the state has many discrepencies, such as riders they claimed were riding that were not even there on the days claimed, and also fails to recognize the rules and legal weights both before and after races. The charges were so scurrilous that a grand juror charged Spitzer with grandstanding.

As for claiming horsemen and gamblers have been cheated. When and where? When you make outlandish claims it helps to offer some back-up.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Rip them off at the windows? That's quite a distortion of the facts. NYRA has more than competitive take-out rates and the only reason they raised WPS 1% recently was in order to be able to institute a rebate program. While this program is not agressive it is certainly better than any Magna is offering. You know Magna....the group with a higher takeout than NYRA.

As for the incident you refer to concerning weights or the " scales ". There is no evidence of any wongdoing, and an analysis of the data from the state has many discrepencies, such as riders they claimed were riding that were not even there on the days claimed, and also fails to recognize the rules and legal weights both before and after races. The charges were so scurrilous that a grand juror charged Spitzer with grandstanding.

As for claiming horsemen and gamblers have been cheated. When and where? When you make outlandish claims it helps to offer some back-up.

Are you too lazy to read the report from the Attorney Generals office that I attached. Plenty in there about what they did.

[Gander]

Very easy, if you dont like the way NYRA runs things, dont bet their tracks. Nobody is forcing you to I am sure. Why even bother?

[blackthroatedwind]

I have read far more about this situation than you, I know far more people involved in this situation than you, and I know enough not to make outlandish and libelous claims such as you have.

Back whichever dog you like in this fight but don't expect to make irresponsible accusations here without getting a response.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Rip them off at the windows? That's quite a distortion of the facts. NYRA has more than competitive take-out rates and the only reason they raised WPS 1% recently was in order to be able to institute a rebate program. While this program is not agressive it is certainly better than any Magna is offering. You know Magna....the group with a higher takeout than NYRA.

As for the incident you refer to concerning weights or the " scales ". There is no evidence of any wongdoing, and an analysis of the data from the state has many discrepencies, such as riders they claimed were riding that were not even there on the days claimed, and also fails to recognize the rules and legal weights both before and after races. The charges were so scurrilous that a grand juror charged Spitzer with grandstanding.

As for claiming horsemen and gamblers have been cheated. When and where? When you make outlandish claims it helps to offer some back-up.

NYRA takes out 6% more than Churchill when it comes to exotic bets. I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, but NYRA takes out 25% on exotics and Churchill takes out I believe 19%.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

NYRA takes out 6% more than Churchill when it comes to exotic bets. I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, but NYRA takes out 25% on exotics and Churchill takes out I believe 19%.

wrong and wrong, depends on teh exotic bet you are speaking of, all have different takeouts. I'm done here. I notice the guys who dontattend Ny racing and live in other states have the most "knowledge" on the topic. I just cant take levels of stupidity like I am witnessinig on this thread. Later guys, Im busy this afternoon anyway.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

wrong and wrong, depends on teh exotic bet you are speaking of, all have different takeouts. I'm done here. I notice the guys who dontattend Ny racing and live in other states have the most "knowledge" on the topic. I just cant take levels of stupidity like I am witnessinig on this thread. Later guys, Im busy this afternoon anyway.

Too busy to read the report? Love the non-profit scam they have there too. What a joke.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

NYRA takes out 6% more than Churchill when it comes to exotic bets. I believe, and please correct me if I am wrong, but NYRA takes out 25% on exotics and Churchill takes out I believe 19%.

Churchill does have a lower takout than NYRA ( I was discussing Magna, which apparantly you realize you can't defend as you have gone off on a tangent which I never claimed ) though the numbers you refer to are for three horse or three horse multi-race bets ( and beyond ).

Churchill is in Kentucky, which in case you are unaware, is a racetrack friendly State. Also, Churchill Downs is only open for three months a year for racing and thus do not have to support purses for twelve months as NYRA does.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Churchill does have a lower takout than NYRA ( I was discussing Magna, which apparantly you realize you can't defend as you have gone off on a tangent which I never claimed ) though the numbers you refer to are for three horse or three horse multi-race bets ( and beyond ).

Churchill is in Kentucky, which in case you are unaware, is a racetrack friendly State. Also, Churchill Downs is only open for three months a year for racing and thus do not have to support purses for twelve months as NYRA does.

Exactly. KY has numerous owners run its tracks. Business people. NYRA runs all three tracks and it isn't even a business. It is typical non-profit government corruption.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Churchill does have a lower takout than NYRA ( I was discussing Magna, which apparantly you realize you can't defend as you have gone off on a tangent which I never claimed ) though the numbers you refer to are for three horse or three horse multi-race bets ( and beyond ).

Churchill is in Kentucky, which in case you are unaware, is a racetrack friendly State. Also, Churchill Downs is only open for three months a year for racing and thus do not have to support purses for twelve months as NYRA does.

Fair statement. But the tracks in Kentucky have a lowes payout on 3 and 4 horse bets. I dont know much Gulfstream as I dont wager that track. I am not a big Frank fan. I honestly think Churchill gets the contract.