The Jets

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by keithting

At this point, I believe that the NY Jets owner has to go...

Can't believe that Rex is still head coach - -great defensive coordinator, but clueless as a head coach....

I am no fan of Rex's but he would be a much "better" head coach if he had a good QB (like most other "good" head coaches)

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am no fan of Rex's but he would be a much "better" head coach if he had a good QB (like most other "good" head coaches)

so true.
shanahan was a good coach when he had elway. then elway left and he became a not so good coach, and was fired.. now he has griffin, so suddenly he's a good coach again.

[MaTH716]

No suprise, Sparano out as offensive coordinator.

[3kings]

Is there any past history of keeping the head coach and firing just about everyone else in the front office and the coaching staff working? I'm not taking a shot at the Jets or Ryan but I can't remember this type of thing working out.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Is there any past history of keeping the head coach and firing just about everyone else in the front office and the coaching staff working? I'm not taking a shot at the Jets or Ryan but I can't remember this type of thing working out.

When they fire the coaches staff, they are trying to force a resignation.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by jms62

When they fire the coaches staff, they are trying to force a resignation.

I think that is usually true but not in this case. Woody and Ryan seem to have a different relationship than most owner/coachs.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Is there any past history of keeping the head coach and firing just about everyone else in the front office and the coaching staff working? I'm not taking a shot at the Jets or Ryan but I can't remember this type of thing working out.

They want to continue in the long line of making one asinine decision after the other.

At this point I just wish Woody Johnson would sell, because he is as much the problem as any. He has no idea what he is doing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

They want to continue in the long line of making one asinine decision after the other.

At this point I just wish Woody Johnson would sell, because he is as much the problem as any. He has no idea what he is doing.

[ateamstupid]

Cavanaugh should've been out a long time ago. Sparano was an unmitigated disaster. Tannenbaum deserved to be canned based on how badly he screwed up what was a top 5 team in 2010. Pettine supposedly didn't get fired.

For everyone clamoring for Rex to get fired, I have news for you: Rex is as good a coach as the Jets have had since Ewbank and is as good as any coaching candidate out there. Look at the stiffs who have been hired so far. For all the criticism, he's still 40-34 overall and 4-2 in the playoffs. Obviously it's not ideal to have great success your first two years and fade down the stretch of your next two, but the guy needs a QB. He put together a top 10 defense this season without the best cover corner in history and has cultivated two studs on the DL in Muhammad Wilkerson and Quinton Coples. Sanchez was too putrid for the defense to even be able to bail him out this season.

There's no way Sanchez can be back as the starter. The fans absolutely despise him and I have to imagine the rest of the locker room is sick of cleaning up his messes too. Alex Smith would be the perfect quarterback for this team, a guy who can make plays with his legs and doesn't turn the ball over, so that's my wish, but regardless of what they do, bringing in a competent starting QB has to be priorities A through Z for this offseason. After that, I'd look at trying to find another RB in the draft. Somebody like Gio Bernard or Eddie Lacy or taking a flier on a home run threat like Kenjon Barner. Contrary to popular belief, the receiving corps isn't terrible, they just had a ton of injuries in 2012.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Cavanaugh should've been out a long time ago. Sparano was an unmitigated disaster. Tannenbaum deserved to be canned based on how badly he screwed up what was a top 5 team in 2010. Pettine supposedly didn't get fired.

For everyone clamoring for Rex to get fired, I have news for you: Rex is as good a coach as the Jets have had since Ewbank and is as good as any coaching candidate out there. Look at the stiffs who have been hired so far. For all the criticism, he's still 40-34 overall and 4-2 in the playoffs. Obviously it's not ideal to have great success your first two years and fade down the stretch of your next two, but the guy needs a QB. He put together a top 10 defense this season without the best cover corner in history and has cultivated two studs on the DL in Muhammad Wilkerson and Quinton Coples. Sanchez was too putrid for the defense to even be able to bail him out this season.

There's no way Sanchez can be back as the starter. The fans absolutely despise him and I have to imagine the rest of the locker room is sick of cleaning up his messes too. Alex Smith would be the perfect quarterback for this team, a guy who can make plays with his legs and doesn't turn the ball over, so that's my wish, but regardless of what they do, bringing in a competent starting QB has to be priorities A through Z for this offseason. After that, I'd look at trying to find another RB in the draft. Somebody like Gio Bernard or Eddie Lacy or taking a flier on a home run threat like Kenjon Barner. Contrary to popular belief, the receiving corps isn't terrible, they just had a ton of injuries in 2012.

This is an incredibly optimistic view, which I admire. Rex is a terrific defensive coach/coordinator. I don't think losing Pettine (who definitely chose not to come back and wasn't fired, IMO) will be an issue at all. But to say Rex is a quality Head Coach? I can't say that. I did write previously in this thread, and still believe, although it's highly unlikely, they need to hire an OC that is strong enough to in essence act as a co-head coach, and do the things Rex can't. Basically play bad cop to his good cop. And hold people accountable for what they do on the field.

I am not quite as sold as you are on Wilkerson and Coples, as the Jets STILL couldn't rush the passer this year, although it became moot when they stank up the joint in every other facet.

And it's a bit premature to call the receiving corps, well, you called them not terrible (how dare you!). Hill wasn't on the field enough to know if he can play or not (his First game against the Bills was it. He was a non-factor the rest of the season). Kerley is a nice slot receiver. Holmes???? Who the Fck knows. And who will be the tight end next season? Rumor is that they will not bring back Keller, who missed almost the entire season without a major injury. And I haven't even gotten to the QB or offensive line issues??? I agree they must replace Greene at running back, who simply hasn't gotten any better since his rookie year. He just doesn't break enough tackles.

The last place schedule is the only thing I'm hanging my hat on right now

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by golfer

This is an incredibly optimistic view, which I admire. Rex is a terrific defensive coach/coordinator. I don't think losing Pettine (who definitely chose not to come back and wasn't fired, IMO) will be an issue at all. But to say Rex is a quality Head Coach? I can't say that. I did write previously in this thread, and still believe, although it's highly unlikely, they need to hire an OC that is strong enough to in essence act as a co-head coach, and do the things Rex can't. Basically play bad cop to his good cop. And hold people accountable for what they do on the field.

I am not quite as sold as you are on Wilkerson and Coples, as the Jets STILL couldn't rush the passer this year, although it became moot when they stank up the joint in every other facet.

And it's a bit premature to call the receiving corps, well, you called them not terrible (how dare you!). Hill wasn't on the field enough to know if he can play or not (his First game against the Bills was it. He was a non-factor the rest of the season). Kerley is a nice slot receiver. Holmes???? Who the Fck knows. And who will be the tight end next season? Rumor is that they will not bring back Keller, who missed almost the entire season without a major injury. And I haven't even gotten to the QB or offensive line issues??? I agree they must replace Greene at running back, who simply hasn't gotten any better since his rookie year. He just doesn't break enough tackles.

The last place schedule is the only thing I'm hanging my hat on right now

Wilkerson played at an All-Pro level this season, the only reason he didn't make the Pro Bowl is a lack of notoriety. I'm projecting a bit with Coples, but I think he showed enough in limited snaps to suggest he'll be 10+ sack guy next season.

Receiving corps is only an issue if Holmes' injury affects him going forward. Hill was basically injured all season but his potential is undeniable. Kerley is a perfect slot receiver and Cumberland is not a big downgrade from Keller. Offensive line is middle of the pack, not as good as it was in 2009-10, but not a huge need area either. They'll let Greene walk, Powell looked OK in spurts but they need either a bruiser like Lacy or a gamebreaker like Barner. Absent that, McKnight needs more touches.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by golfer

This is an incredibly optimistic view, which I admire. Rex is a terrific defensive coach/coordinator. I don't think losing Pettine (who definitely chose not to come back and wasn't fired, IMO) will be an issue at all. But to say Rex is a quality Head Coach?:

Rob Ryan fired by Dallas,
I wonder where he could end up. Hmmmmmmmmm.......................................

[jms62]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Cavanaugh should've been out a long time ago. Sparano was an unmitigated disaster. Tannenbaum deserved to be canned based on how badly he screwed up what was a top 5 team in 2010. Pettine supposedly didn't get fired.

For everyone clamoring for Rex to get fired, I have news for you: Rex is as good a coach as the Jets have had since Ewbank and is as good as any coaching candidate out there. Look at the stiffs who have been hired so far. For all the criticism, he's still 40-34 overall and 4-2 in the playoffs. Obviously it's not ideal to have great success your first two years and fade down the stretch of your next two, but the guy needs a QB. He put together a top 10 defense this season without the best cover corner in history and has cultivated two studs on the DL in Muhammad Wilkerson and Quinton Coples. Sanchez was too putrid for the defense to even be able to bail him out this season.

There's no way Sanchez can be back as the starter. The fans absolutely despise him and I have to imagine the rest of the locker room is sick of cleaning up his messes too. Alex Smith would be the perfect quarterback for this team, a guy who can make plays with his legs and doesn't turn the ball over, so that's my wish, but regardless of what they do, bringing in a competent starting QB has to be priorities A through Z for this offseason. After that, I'd look at trying to find another RB in the draft. Somebody like Gio Bernard or Eddie Lacy or taking a flier on a home run threat like Kenjon Barner. Contrary to popular belief, the receiving corps isn't terrible, they just had a ton of injuries in 2012.

I will say a prayer for you tonight that you get your wish and get Alex Smith.

[golfer]

And now Dave Caldwell, who appeared to be the top candidate for the GM job, just chose the Jags over the Jets?