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Old 12-21-2012, 10:16 PM
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Barbaro, Barbaro, Barbaro -- babble, babble, babble, --
blah, blah, blah --- Barbaro, Barbaro, Barbaro
Barbaro has nothing to do with whether Bernardini was overrated or not.

We know you love horses who run one or two breakout races and have their racing careers permanently end to injury before they accomplish a whole lot.

I know you loved Barbaro before he ever raced on dirt, I told you to watch him after he won his 2nd career start and you had a bigger woody for him than even I did, as a turf horse, at that time.

I know you liked him in the Kentucky Derby...and I did not.

What any of that has to do with Bernardini isn't apparent to me.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:13 PM
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Barbaro has nothing to do with whether Bernardini was overrated or not.

We know you love horses who run one or two breakout races and have their racing careers permanently end to injury before they accomplish a whole lot.

I know you loved Barbaro before he ever raced on dirt, I told you to watch him after he won his 2nd career start and you had a bigger woody for him than even I did, as a turf horse, at that time.

I know you liked him in the Kentucky Derby...and I did not.

What any of that has to do with Bernardini isn't apparent to me.
You give me a headache sometimes, but ok, I will briefly allow you to bait me into answering you.

First off, all three of his turf races were breakout races. His first two dirt races, while considerably unimpressive to you, were very impressive to me for the exact reasons you thought he sucked on dirt. How many times and in how many ways can this be explained to you? As I thought would happen, he finally, for the first time in his entire career, put everything together in the Derby.

While I do have a penchant for picking out horses that are destined to have five race or less careers, Barbaro was not the type who fit that mold. He was sound and suffered a freak injury leaving the gate, FFS.

What does any of this have to do with Bernardini? Quite a bit, or nothing at all. I suppose it depends on how much you limit your perspective.

My thoughts are that had he not broken down, Bernardini would have had to chase Barbaro in the Preakness, thus not getting his usual 100% perfect dream trip. Yeah, I know, he didn't need the lead, but chasing Barbaro would have been a whole different ball game then chasing what turned out to be a brutally bad field.

I seriously doubt he'd have won the race and the legend that he was becoming that year would have been derailed right there. He'd have been exposed well before the BCC and apologists like you would have had no excuses to blame his loss on.

He wouldn't have been the 3yo champion, and had he faced Barbaro in one of those awful g1s he won that summer, he'd have not gone off to stud with all the fanfare due a superhorse.

Hell, I bet he would have raced at four.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:20 PM
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You <3 Barbaro. I get it.

Bernardini's Preakness was at least as good as Barbaro's Derby...and he repeated that level of performance over and over all season long.

Barbaro is a case of what might have been...Bernardini is a case of what was.

Barbaro has nothing to do with Bernardini in any way shape or form...other than the fact that one emerged in the same race the other got hurt.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:38 PM
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You <3 Barbaro. I get it.

Bernardini's Preakness was at least as good as Barbaro's Derby...and he repeated that level of performance over and over all season long.

Barbaro is a case of what might have been...Bernardini is a case of what was.

Barbaro has nothing to do with Bernardini in any way shape or form...other than the fact that one emerged in the same race the other got hurt.
Sharp points!

Bernardini was the master of soft field perfect trip walkover type performances.

I'll give you that.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:40 PM
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Barbaro has nothing to do with Bernardini in any way shape or form...other than the fact that one emerged in the same race the other got hurt.
Sounds like a Donn I remember.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:18 AM
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You <3 Barbaro. I get it.

Bernardini's Preakness was at least as good as Barbaro's Derby...and he repeated that level of performance over and over all season long.

Barbaro is a case of what might have been...Bernardini is a case of what was.

Barbaro has nothing to do with Bernardini in any way shape or form...other than the fact that one emerged in the same race the other got hurt.
You and Charlie bring out the best in each other and Bernardini is the magic that inspires horse racing talk on this forum again.

Win. Win.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:01 AM
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if invasor didnt dodge bern at his prime..toga 06..he may have shut him up.he crushed blue grass cat..lol and a poor ride in the bc classic didnt do him any favors..ive got one of his shoes that tom albatrani gave me..i think bern was a great horse.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:38 PM
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if invasor didnt dodge bern at his prime..toga 06..he may have shut him up.he crushed blue grass cat..lol and a poor ride in the bc classic didnt do him any favors..ive got one of his shoes that tom albatrani gave me..i think bern was a great horse.
How exactly was Invasor going to race him at Saratoga in 2006?
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:41 PM
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How exactly was Invasor going to race him at Saratoga in 2006?
I think he is confused.

I'm sure he was thinking of the Whitney, but how it was Invasor ducking a race that he actually won is a bit puzzling.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:40 PM
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You and Charlie bring out the best in each other and Bernardini is the magic that inspires horse racing talk on this forum again.

Win. Win.
We are trying.

However, his mediocre opinions can be hard to take.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:11 PM
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You and Charlie bring out the best in each other and Bernardini is the magic that inspires horse racing talk on this forum again.

Win. Win.
I didn't bet on Bernardini in the BC Classic and I didn't rate him quite as high as some did...but I do believe he was best in that race. I think any competent trip handicapper would agree.

Any discussion of Bernardini involving IC really has nothing to do with Bernardini ... all things Bernardini gets hijacked into Barbaro by IC.

Yet, when anyone brings up Empire Maker and Funny Cide... thankfully he doesn't try to shift the discussion to his wonder horse that season, Man Among Men.
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Old 12-22-2012, 02:23 PM
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I didn't bet on Bernardini in the BC Classic and I didn't rate him quite as high as some did...but I do believe he was best in that race. I think any competent trip handicapper would agree.

Any discussion of Bernardini involving IC really has nothing to do with Bernardini ... all things Bernardini gets hijacked into Barbaro by IC.

Yet, when anyone brings up Empire Maker and Funny Cide... thankfully he doesn't try to shift the discussion to his wonder horse that season, Man Among Men.
LOL.

Not going to hit that bait, but good try!
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Old 12-22-2012, 03:31 PM
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I didn't bet on Bernardini in the BC Classic and I didn't rate him quite as high as some did...but I do believe he was best in that race. I think any competent trip handicapper would agree.
No, not really. I think if Bernardini was in his normal position, since the pace was pretty hot, he still would have been run down by Invasor. I could be wrong, but I don't think it is clear either way. Invasor's versatility was proven, Bernardini's wasn't.
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:02 PM
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No, not really. I think if Bernardini was in his normal position, since the pace was pretty hot, he still would have been run down by Invasor. I could be wrong, but I don't think it is clear either way. Invasor's versatility was proven, Bernardini's wasn't.
I agree with Doug. Castellano panicked, thinking he wasn't running, and asked WAY too soon. I made plenty of money with Invasor winning, but he shouldn't have.
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