Shanghai Bobby can he win at 1 1/4???

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I was kidding really. I don't see him getting 1 1/4 fwiw. Honestly I dont think people realize how screwed up this point system could get. The late preps are worth so much that If we have a bunch of different winners of preps we may be looking at horses like Shanghai Bobby needing to win a prep to get in. Say he breaks poorly or gets a bad trip and runs 4th in his comeback race like the Fountain of Youth or Gotham. He will have 25 points at that point and would likely need to hit the board in another of the big preps to get in. The runner up's in the BC juvy more or less got a few meaningless points which is going to further erode horsemans desire to run in these races.

I think BC Juvy should be a win and you are in. Also they should assign point values for Grade 1, Grade 2 and Grade 3 regardless of whether they happen in 2yo or 3yo year.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

I think BC Juvy should be a win and you are in. Also they should assign point values for Grade 1, Grade 2 and Grade 3 regardless of whether they happen in 2yo or 3yo year.

Hopefully they will realize the flaws in the current system and adjust it but I doubt they will

[Conrad]

He's trained by Pletcher - i'm worried he won't even get to the Derby

Hes had enough had a brutal trip in the Juvenile and managed a close second.

Favorite for the Cash Call Futurity. If he wins, Reddam will be giving the trophy to himself.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Hes had enough had a brutal trip in the Juvenile and managed a close second.

Favorite for the Cash Call Futurity. If he wins, Reddam will be giving the trophy to himself.

I don't know if I'd call his trip brutal. He sat a perfect trip for most of the race. He did have the trouble where he had to wait and checked, but honestly, he was on the best part of the track for most of the race and had every chance to go by and didn't.

Without knowing who is in the Cash Call I'm not going to say he's a bet against. But I will be interested in playing against him if Capo Bastone or Power Broker show up in there.

[richard burch]

the way he waits for other horses may be more of a concern.

but when the other horses come to him he shows a lot of heart.

just keep someone like julian le-pew off his back and he will be fine.

go rosie!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by richard burch

the way he waits for other horses may be more of a concern.

but when the other horses come to him he shows a lot of heart.

just keep someone like julian le-pew off his back and he will be fine.

go rosie!

I think that was nonsense about him waiting on other horses. Has he ever waited on horses before? He normally wins by open lengths. He wasn't waiting on horses in the BC. He was very tired, which he should have been after going :45 2/5. He dug down deep at the end when he saw the other horse but that doesn't mean he wasn't tired. He stopped because he was dead tired, which he should have been.

As Doug said, if there was a half-way decent closer in the race Shanghai would have gotten beat. He came to a dead walk that final 1/8th of a mile. I'm not saying he ran a bad race. Any horse would be leg weary after setting those kinds of fractions.

If he runs a similar race in the Derby, he won't have much chance of winning. He's going to have to change his running style to win the Derby. He's obviously a good horse. He might be able to change his running style. The odds are against it but it is certainly possible.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I don't know if I'd call his trip brutal. He sat a perfect trip for most of the race. He did have the trouble where he had to wait and checked, but honestly, he was on the best part of the track for most of the race and had every chance to go by and didn't.

Without knowing who is in the Cash Call I'm not going to say he's a bet against. But I will be interested in playing against him if Capo Bastone or Power Broker show up in there.

I was alive to Power Broker on a $5 Pick 3 , he didnt give me much at all. Chalk it up to the Sans Lasix crapshoot that we will have to endure more of next year.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

I was alive to Power Broker on a $5 Pick 3 , he didnt give me much at all. Chalk it up to the Sans Lasix crapshoot that we will have to endure more of next year.

He had a trip too. Off slow, carried super wide into the first turn, premature move, while on worst part of the track.

He's better than that.