Something I have never seen- can anyone explain?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Good info, Bethani... I'm not so sure I'm a fan of the glue on shoes that BD uses, either. What are your thoughts on those?

whatever works for a particular horse is okay with me...if the glue on's keep him sound great. One of my best friend's is a farrier who does a lot of corrective work--he's always b*tching about what a pain they are but for some horses it's the only thing that they can tolerate

[Rileyoriley]

Glue on shoes are usually used if the hoof wall can't take the nail (too thin or damaged). Not sure why they use them on Brother Derek. I don't see them training him barefoot if his wall is damaged.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Glue on shoes are usually used if the hoof wall can't take the nail (too thin or damaged). Not sure why they use them on Brother Derek. I don't see them training him barefoot if his wall is damaged.

Yeah, that didn't make sense to me either, but I'm not familiar with glue ons. I've only heard that if they come off, they can really mess up a hoof, but I guess that's typical with most shoes.

[Rileyoriley]

I just read the article on barefoot horses. Maybe they're trying to grow out Brother Derek's hoof so they can run him barefoot. I emailed the article to the equine vet I work for so I'll let you know what he says. Deb

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Glue on shoes are usually used if the hoof wall can't take the nail (too thin or damaged). Not sure why they use them on Brother Derek. I don't see them training him barefoot if his wall is damaged.

I remember hearing something about BD that he just got really foot sore when they put nails in him...no exact details though.

More factors to consider about glue ons (from my farrier friend)...
application is a very exact and time consuming thing--if your horse won't stand still for the farrier they are not a good candidate.
cost--it will add about $100 per pair to your shoeing bill. And they have to be changed every 4 weeks and they are not reusable.
it takes 2 shoeing cycles for the glue to fully adhere to the hoof--basically it just draws all of the moisture out of the wall...after the first cycle the whole foot is just a mess in terms of composition...it is crumbly and the walls get very brittle...if anything goes wrong and the glue ons are not working at this point there will not be enough wall left to hold a nail and you have to wait for it to grow out.
there are a couple of different brands/kinds of glue ons...'Sigafoos' have a kevlar cuff which goes over the foot and the shoe is attached to that so if it falls off the hoof wall is not damaged...but the rest...well lets just say if a horse pulls one off you will have quite a mess do deal with...I can't remember what he told me but the amount of force required to get one off is pretty amazing, and no surprise that they tear the foot up.
http://www.equineshoetechnology.com/pages/9/index.htm

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I remember hearing something about BD that he just got really foot sore when they put nails in him...no exact details though.

More factors to consider about glue ons (from my farrier friend)...
application is a very exact and time consuming thing--if your horse won't stand still for the farrier they are not a good candidate.
cost--it will add about $100 per pair to your shoeing bill. And they have to be changed every 4 weeks and they are not reusable.
it takes 2 shoeing cycles for the glue to fully adhere to the hoof--basically it just draws all of the moisture out of the wall...after the first cycle the whole foot is just a mess in terms of composition...it is crumbly and the walls get very brittle...if anything goes wrong and the glue ons are not working at this point there will not be enough wall left to hold a nail and you have to wait for it to grow out.
there are a couple of different brands/kinds of glue ons...'Sigafoos' have a kevlar cuff which goes over the foot and the shoe is attached to that so if it falls off the hoof wall is not damaged...but the rest...well lets just say if a horse pulls one off you will have quite a mess do deal with...I can't remember what he told me but the amount of force required to get one off is pretty amazing, and no surprise that they tear the foot up.
http://www.equineshoetechnology.com/pages/9/index.htm

Thanks for posting that link... very interesting. It looks like a tough job for sure!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I remember hearing something about BD that he just got really foot sore when they put nails in him...no exact details though.

More factors to consider about glue ons (from my farrier friend)...
application is a very exact and time consuming thing--if your horse won't stand still for the farrier they are not a good candidate.
cost--it will add about $100 per pair to your shoeing bill. And they have to be changed every 4 weeks and they are not reusable.
it takes 2 shoeing cycles for the glue to fully adhere to the hoof--basically it just draws all of the moisture out of the wall...after the first cycle the whole foot is just a mess in terms of composition...it is crumbly and the walls get very brittle...if anything goes wrong and the glue ons are not working at this point there will not be enough wall left to hold a nail and you have to wait for it to grow out.
there are a couple of different brands/kinds of glue ons...'Sigafoos' have a kevlar cuff which goes over the foot and the shoe is attached to that so if it falls off the hoof wall is not damaged...but the rest...well lets just say if a horse pulls one off you will have quite a mess do deal with...I can't remember what he told me but the amount of force required to get one off is pretty amazing, and no surprise that they tear the foot up.
http://www.equineshoetechnology.com/pages/9/index.htm

I never knew how good my blacksmith was until I read this. We've used glue ons for 10 years without any of the above problems. But I wont tell him because he already charges too much.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I never knew how good my blacksmith was until I read this. We've used glue ons for 10 years without any of the above problems. But I wont tell him because he already charges too much.

Well I tell my farrier all the time how great he is...cause I always hope the flattery will get me some kind of better rate (he charges too much too)...We actually considered glue ons for my horse at one time but I didn't want to pay for them (go figure)...what are you using them for?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

Well I tell my farrier all the time how great he is...cause I always hope the flattery will get me some kind of better rate (he charges too much too)...We actually considered glue ons for my horse at one time but I didn't want to pay for them (go figure)...what are you using them for?

What else...bad footed horses!!. The usual problems, bad walls, tender soles, etc.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What else...bad footed horses!!. The usual problems, bad walls, tender soles, etc.

thanks smarty....guess I deserved that.

[repent]

I did not think it was THAT uncommon.
but maybe it is.
Ive certainly seen it before though.

Ive read Dixie talk about this very issue in the past.


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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by repent

I did not think it was THAT uncommon.
but maybe it is.
Ive certainly seen it before though.

Ive read Dixie talk about this very issue in the past.


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I once ran a horse barefoot behind on the grass at Gulfstream. We discovered that the blacksmith had changed the back shoes on the horse and got confused and thought that horse was running on the dirt and put shoes with toe grabs on behind. The stewards let me pull the shoes in the holding barn, they announced the change and the horse ran really well (2nd). Better than he had. When I took him to Belmont for his next start the stewards would not let me run without the hind shoes.

[repent]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I once ran a horse barefoot behind on the grass at Gulfstream. We discovered that the blacksmith had changed the back shoes on the horse and got confused and thought that horse was running on the dirt and put shoes with toe grabs on behind. The stewards let me pull the shoes in the holding barn, they announced the change and the horse ran really well (2nd). Better than he had. When I took him to Belmont for his next start the stewards would not let me run without the hind shoes.

hmm,
good information.

I was playing Belmont one time earlier this year.
McLaughlin(I think that was the trainer) had a filly that was light years faster than the other horses in the short field.
anyway, she was acting up and they could only get like 3 shoes I think.
so the stewards scratched her and let her run for purse money only.
Im at Lone Star just watching on the monitors and did not have any audio.
it said SCR next to her name, so I adjusted my play.
thought she was not running.

then I watch her win for fun.

maybe shoes are overrated.


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