Gallup: Romney 52% Obama 45%

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

True, in terms of posting quantity, Riot is worse. But he's pretty bad. Even conservatives seem to dislike him.

I like the idea of the bet. Obviously I hope you don't leave, but I do want Obama to win. I'm really torn.

I have admittedly gone full tilt on the abortion issue. And I have ratcheted up to counter Riot. But I'm not THAT bad of a guy. At least I'm not actively trying to be.

Vote Romney. What's Obama given you to vote for?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by joeydb

What's Obama given you to vote for?

The survival of egalitarianism in this country.

Originally Posted by Kasept

The survival of egalitarianism in this country.

A fallacy that will never happen in our lifetime under the current political structure. A carrot dangling in the wind. Just wait another 4 years...then another...then another.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The survival of egalitarianism in this country.

Having heard the term before but wanting to be precise, I looked it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

According to Wikipedia, the article itself referencing Webster's dictionary, there are two standard definitions for egalitarianism:

"It is defined either as a political doctrine that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights

or

as a social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people or the decentralization of power."

The first definition sounds like common sense and in keeping with the philosophical underpinnings of our Constitution.

The second sounds like redistribution of wealth bordering on socialism. That one I will vote against.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Having heard the term before but wanting to be precise, I looked it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

According to Wikipedia, the article itself referencing Webster's dictionary, there are two standard definitions for egalitarianism:

"It is defined either as a political doctrine that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights

or

as a social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people or the decentralization of power."

The first definition sounds like common sense and in keeping with the philosophical underpinnings of our Constitution.

The second sounds like redistribution of wealth bordering on socialism. That one I will vote against.

See what Wikipedia has to say about Thomas Paine.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Kasept

See what Wikipedia has to say about Thomas Paine.

I am familiar with Thomas Paine.

Barack Obama has very little in common with him, despite all of the grandiosity in the coverage of him by the media.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I am familiar with Thomas Paine.

Barack Obama has very little in common with him, despite all of the grandiosity in the coverage of him by the media.

I'm not alluding modern day politicians to Thomas Paine. My concern is with the tone and quality of the society in which we live. Though it won't make the discussion any easier, I'll leave while introducing the German/Yiddish word Menschlichkeit. It means humaneness -- caring for the impoverished and oppressed, any less fortunate than yourself. My preference in governance is for those that can at least maintain a modicum of the empathy required for it.

Oh like poverty has drastically changed. Pure nonsense, Steve.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US...._Timeline.gif

Come on.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I'm not alluding modern day politicians to Thomas Paine. My concern is with the tone and quality of the society in which we live. Though it won't make the discussion any easier, I'll leave while introducing the German/Yiddish word Menschlichkeit. It means humaneness -- caring for the impoverished and oppressed, any less fortunate than yourself. My preference in governance is for those that can at least maintain a modicum of the empathy required for it.

Thanks - I understand. A good friend of mine uses that word from time to time. And I'm enjoying the discussion, though as usual I am catching some arrows from others.

But hey, like the description says, this group is where the "flame wars" thrive, so not complaining.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Having heard the term before but wanting to be precise, I looked it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egalitarianism

According to Wikipedia, the article itself referencing Webster's dictionary, there are two standard definitions for egalitarianism:

"It is defined either as a political doctrine that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights

or

as a social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people or the decentralization of power."

The first definition sounds like common sense and in keeping with the philosophical underpinnings of our Constitution.

The second sounds like redistribution of wealth bordering on socialism. That one I will vote against.

you might want to study more on the second one. egalitarianism came about in france during their revolution against kings, and their supposed 'divine right'. thomas paine was instrumental in advocating that movement both here and abroad-others were as well.
you see, a decentralization of power was what our forefathers fought for eight years to gain, against the tyranny of the king (the centralized power), and against a ruling class (which caused economic equalities).
i think geo washington and the other founding fathers would be shocked that you found them socialist. of course their peers in england called them worse.

imo, romney would be less inclined toward egalitarianism than obama.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The survival of egalitarianism in this country.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The survival of egalitarianism in this country.

the one thing that keeps jumping into my head-supreme court justices. there will conceivably be a couple openings during the next term-who will be the one to decide who fills any vacancies?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The survival of egalitarianism in this country.

Is that what has been propagated for the last four years? Certainly doesn't look or feel that way.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The survival of egalitarianism in this country.

[bigrun]

Who said our children's aren't learning..

You guys should cancel your bet with riot...




Obama wins Nickelodeon’s online ‘Kids Pick the President’ vote; kids wrong only once since ‘88.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...bc7_story.html

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I have admittedly gone full tilt on the abortion issue. And I have ratcheted up to counter Riot. But I'm not THAT bad of a guy. At least I'm not actively trying to be.

Vote Romney. What's Obama given you to vote for?

Nah, you're worse than she is. Much worse.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Nah, you're worse than she is. Much worse.

Well sorry if your opinion doesn't carry much weight with me.