How could this possibly happen!!!!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I took the total opposite away from it. If it's needed so much, why did the horse run so well without it? Did he ever need it to begin with, because if he didn't, why are they using it on him?

I agree with Hoss. Can somebody post his lifetime PP, and then today's race conditions and his times/margins?

[Gate Dancer]

It's the beginning of a new handicapping angle.............'Lasix Off'

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Gate Dancer

It's the beginning of a new handicapping angle.............'Lasix Off'

It is a concern during the transition. I would absolutely take 1-2 lengths off (more for a sprint) a horse's anticipated performance with "lasix off" if he always ran with it before.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Gate Dancer

It's the beginning of a new handicapping angle.............'Lasix Off'

There is nothing new about 'Lasix Off' and it can actually be a favorable handicapping angle at times.

[Gate Dancer]

Originally Posted by pointman

There is nothing new about 'Lasix Off' and it can actually be a favorable handicapping angle at times.

Agreed............my comment was 'tongue in cheek'.............

But I am curious about Riot's speculation of taking 1-2 lengths off......

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Gate Dancer

Agreed............my comment was 'tongue in cheek'.............

But I am curious about Riot's speculation of taking 1-2 lengths off......

Because even she thinks it's a performance enhancer.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Because even she thinks it's a performance enhancer.

No. I do not. Lasix does not improve performance as a stand alone drug. It's a diuretic. It makes you pee. Period.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. I do not. Lasix does not improve performance as a stand alone drug. It's a diuretic. It makes you pee. Period.

Sorry.

I forgot. You lack humor.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Gate Dancer

Agreed............my comment was 'tongue in cheek'.............

But I am curious about Riot's speculation of taking 1-2 lengths off......

Horses tend to improve generally 1-2 lengths (depending upon distance of race, speed, etc - more pronounced shorter races under a mile) running with lasix than without. Not talking "1st time lasix", but talking general improvement from not having occult EIPH vs bleeding.

You can read this, here: http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=20732

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree with Hoss. Can somebody post his lifetime PP, and then today's race conditions and his times/margins?

I thought it was a preventive injection?

I'll be happy to post his past and today's figures after I finish them.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I thought it was a preventive injection?

I'll be happy to post his past and today's figures after I finish them.

Great, thanks. It is a preventive. That's why I'm interested, not in the fact he won his race, but in how he performed compared to his 14 previous races. I would guess 1-2 lengths slower, but that depends on race distance, setup, etc.

Be interested in hearing how you evaluate it.

I'm guessing he wasn't scoped after he ran (at least not info released publicly) so we can't speculate on if he bled or not (we only know he was not a Grade 4)

Remember that seminar on lasix held earlier this month? Here's the transcript at The Horse:

http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=20732

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Great, thanks. It is a preventive. That's why I'm interested, not in the fact he won his race, but in how he performed compared to his 14 previous races. I would guess 1-2 lengths slower, but that depends on race distance, setup, etc.

Be interested in hearing how you evaluate it.

I'm guessing he wasn't scoped after he ran (at least not info released publicly) so we can't speculate on if he bled or not (we only know he was not a Grade 4)

Remember that seminar on lasix held earlier this month? Here's the transcript at The Horse:

http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=20732

These were the horses most recent 11 figures, including yesterday, most recent to the left. The : represents a layoff.

3  Infrattini  72    74    76    73 :  69    72    70    75    78    79    78

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

These were the horses most recent 11 figures, including yesterday, most recent to the left. The : represents a layoff.

3  Infrattini  72    74    76    73 :  69    72    70    75    78    79    78

Thanks for that. Seems something definitely being managed there, but non-lasix associated. Has the surface and distance remained about the same?