Dutrow loses appeal

Should be a lifetime ban. But 10 years will suffice. Go live in a trotter barn.

[SOREHOOF]

He's the Scapegoat.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

He's the Scapegoat.

You have to start somewhere, and scapegoat or not, you won't find anybody in New York with a longer list of repeated violations than Dutrow.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Should be a lifetime ban. But 10 years will suffice. Go live in a trotter barn.

If he has 50 horses, he'll have a barn next to Ness at Tampa by Dec. 1st.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally he was having his license revoked and wasnt eligible to reapply for 10 years but now they are calling it a suspension. The difference is that if NY refused to license him other states arent bound to do the same whereas a suspension is generally honored.

[pmayjr]

Jayne Vaders got it worse and hasn't been seen since correct? I just remember her being a high% trainer at Philly. Is she looked upon any better or worse than Dutrow?
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...al-in-pa-court

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Jayne Vaders got it worse and hasn't been seen since correct? I just remember her being a high% trainer at Philly. Is she looked upon any better or worse than Dutrow?
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...al-in-pa-court

Jayne Vaders was a program trainer

[pmayjr]

I apologize but I don't know what that means (If that was a joke it flew right over my head)?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

I apologize but I don't know what that means (If that was a joke it flew right over my head)?

She was trainer in name only. McCaslin was the real trainer but because of his troubles they ran in her name. He runs under Ed Autwater in PA currently.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Originally he was having his license revoked and wasnt eligible to reapply for 10 years but now they are calling it a suspension. The difference is that if NY refused to license him other states arent bound to do the same whereas a suspension is generally honored.

Chuck, What do you think about the severity of the penalty? Do you think a 10 year suspension is warranted in this case? Is Dutrow really any worse than these other trainers who are only getting 60 day suspensions?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Chuck, What do you think about the severity of the penalty? Do you think a 10 year suspension is warranted in this case? Is Dutrow really any worse than these other trainers who are only getting 60 day suspensions?

Obviously there is some hyperbole that played into the 10 year time period. Dutrow's personality surely played a role in the severity as he has repeatedly thumbed his nose up at the authorities though I'm not sure that should matter it seems to have. He is being made the poster child for "cleaning up the game" and it isnt that much different than the bountygate cases in the NFL though there seems to be a lot more evidence against Dutrow the thought process of the authorties seems to be similar. Are his violations that much worse than some other big trainers? Not really. Do I feel bad for him? I guess I do have some sympathy but honestly most of this lies at his own feet. There is a difference between being outspoken and being stupid. He crossed this line too many times and is probably going to pay the price though I still want to know if he is being denied a license or is being suspended. If he is being denied a license he may find a state that will license him feeling that the NY penalty is too severe or will use others like jockeys who have been licensed in some states but not others. In the end this won't have much impact because there are very few trainers with a laundry list of violations that he had that were also so willing to make themselves the center of attention as well. So in effect most trainers wont give this another thought, the cheaters will still cheat, the honest guys will still be honest, Tony Dutrow and Rudy Rodriguez will pick up more horses and life will go on.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obviously there is some hyperbole that played into the 10 year time period. Dutrow's personality surely played a role in the severity as he has repeatedly thumbed his nose up at the authorities though I'm not sure that should matter it seems to have. He is being made the poster child for "cleaning up the game" and it isnt that much different than the bountygate cases in the NFL though there seems to be a lot more evidence against Dutrow the thought process of the authorties seems to be similar. Are his violations that much worse than some other big trainers? Not really. Do I feel bad for him? I guess I do have some sympathy but honestly most of this lies at his own feet. There is a difference between being outspoken and being stupid. He crossed this line too many times and is probably going to pay the price though I still want to know if he is being denied a license or is being suspended. If he is being denied a license he may find a state that will license him feeling that the NY penalty is too severe or will use others like jockeys who have been licensed in some states but not others. In the end this won't have much impact because there are very few trainers with a laundry list of violations that he had that were also so willing to make themselves the center of attention as well. So in effect most trainers wont give this another thought, the cheaters will still cheat, the honest guys will still be honest, Tony Dutrow and Rudy Rodriguez will pick up more horses and life will go on.

I would assume he could or will simply move his tack to a off track location and have horses race under a different named trainer? If you are an owner it is so worth having him train your horses the guy is magic and magic means money in this business.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I would assume he could or will simply move his tack to a off track location and have horses race under a different named trainer? If you are an owner it is so worth having him train your horses the guy is magic and magic means money in this business.

In theory he could be licensed in another state. The issue he will face is that the stewards in NY will be instructed to not accept entries of horses that are in the care, custody and control of the trainer named without some sort of proof offered. If the trainer "of recor" is facing sanctions, he will find it really difficult to come up with someone to assist.

[analyizethis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obviously there is some hyperbole that played into the 10 year time period. Dutrow's personality surely played a role in the severity as he has repeatedly thumbed his nose up at the authorities though I'm not sure that should matter it seems to have. He is being made the poster child for "cleaning up the game" and it isnt that much different than the bountygate cases in the NFL though there seems to be a lot more evidence against Dutrow the thought process of the authorties seems to be similar. Are his violations that much worse than some other big trainers? Not really. Do I feel bad for him? I guess I do have some sympathy but honestly most of this lies at his own feet. There is a difference between being outspoken and being stupid. He crossed this line too many times and is probably going to pay the price though I still want to know if he is being denied a license or is being suspended. If he is being denied a license he may find a state that will license him feeling that the NY penalty is too severe or will use others like jockeys who have been licensed in some states but not others. In the end this won't have much impact because there are very few trainers with a laundry list of violations that he had that were also so willing to make themselves the center of attention as well. So in effect most trainers wont give this another thought, the cheaters will still cheat, the honest guys will still be honest, Tony Dutrow and Rudy Rodriguez will pick up more horses and life will go on.

Regarding your last sentence; will they pick up more horses because of the close relationship to Dutrow or is there an implication that they are cheaters?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by analyizethis

Regarding your last sentence; will they pick up more horses because of the close relationship to Dutrow or is there an implication that they are cheaters?

They already share many common owners so the thought is the horses will just for the most part go to Tony Dutrow and Rudy Rodriguez and life will go on pretty much unchanged.

[Calzone Lord]

Meanwhile, the GREAT Scooter "the shooter" Davis is currently serving his 42nd career suspension and is in search of his 11th "this is your last chance"...











Good to see he is enjoying his time off ... and we eagerly await his glorious return to training.

[richard burch]

it would be better if some trainers started to actually train horses rather than worry about what drugs to give them.