SAT 11/3 (SA): Breeders' Cup (Fields Post-Draw; Odds)

[cal828]

Hunters Bay not going according to drf.

http://www.drf.com/news/breeders-cup...be-freshenedrs

[VOL JACK]

Papaw Bodie is hurt.

[FATPIANO]

Royal Delta cross entered in THE CLASSIC................

[tywizard]

What is the rationale for Brilliant Speed going in the Classic?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by tywizard

What is the rationale for Brilliant Speed going in the Classic?

Final career start and already has established his modest turf credentials. More upside in taking a shot that you do something good in the biggest Classic Distance race on dirt. If he doesn't run well, it doesn't diminish what he was beforehand and if he pulls a Drosselmeyer/Giant's Causeway effort out of his azz you've hit a home run as he starts his stallion career.

[tywizard]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Final career start and already has established his modest turf credentials. More upside in taking a shot that you do something good in the biggest Classic Distance race on dirt. If he doesn't run well, it doesn't diminish what he was beforehand and if he pulls a Drosselmeyer/Giant's Causeway effort out of his azz you've hit a home run as he starts his stallion career.

Makes sense. Just making sure I'm not missing something. Thanks,

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Final career start and already has established his modest turf credentials. More upside in taking a shot that you do something good in the biggest Classic Distance race on dirt. If he doesn't run well, it doesn't diminish what he was beforehand and if he pulls a Drosselmeyer/Giant's Causeway effort out of his azz you've hit a home run as he starts his stallion career.

He'd be a surprise of pretty significant proportions, but you have to appreciate the sporting mentality and wish it carried over into all horsemen the rest of the year too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

He'd be a surprise of pretty significant proportions, but you have to appreciate the sporting mentality and wish it carried over into all horsemen the rest of the year too.

So you want horseman to run overmatched horses in impossible spots all year long not just the Breeders Cup?

Is it really "sporting" to try to throw a hail mary in an attempt to dress up your potential stallions weak resume? Seems like more of a typical modern day money grab regardless of how futile it most likely will be.

I dont think winning the Classic after having modest at best credentials makes you a viable stallion prospect for any serious money. See Cat Thief, Volponi, ect.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Final career start and already has established his modest turf credentials. More upside in taking a shot that you do something good in the biggest Classic Distance race on dirt. If he doesn't run well, it doesn't diminish what he was beforehand and if he pulls a Drosselmeyer/Giant's Causeway effort out of his azz you've hit a home run as he starts his stallion career.

Makes sense....
2 things though. His Belmont was not very good, against not very good horses.
Did you just compare the best stallion in the world to Drosselmeyer?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Kasept

If he doesn't run well, it doesn't diminish what he was beforehand and if he pulls a Drosselmeyer/Giant's Causeway effort out of his azz you've hit a home run as he starts his stallion career.

Giant's Causeway was a European Horse of the Year with a sensational American pedigree (Storm Cat-Mariah's Storm) and he ran a monster race in the BC Classic. In fact, he ran a monster race pretty much everytime he started in his entire career.

Drosselmeyer was never a turf horse.

Volponi was a horse campaigned a lot on turf.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Giant's Causeway was a European Horse of the Year with a sensational American pedigree (Storm Cat-Mariah's Storm) and he ran a monster race in the BC Classic. In fact, he ran a monster race pretty much everytime he started in his entire career.

Drosselmeyer was never a turf horse. Volponi was a horse campaigned a lot on turf.

This topic came up the other day and Haskin talked extensively about Volponi. Johnson tinkered a lot with him with blinkers and would run him in spates on turf. Steve noted that every time Johnson would take blinkers off, Volponi would respond with a huge effort. He came back as a 5yo so he certainly didn't have had a stud deal in place before the Classic.

Drosselmeyer wasn't a grass horse but started his career on turf and ran in the Sword Dancer that summer. Weren't Mott & WinStar considering the Marathon for him before going in the Classic? He had that stallion deal in place to come to New York before the big win. When it comes to Brilliant Speed, Jerry Brown has said unendingly that he should have been run more on the dirt.

The Euro star on dirt in the Classic always interesting. Sahkee. Giant's Causeway. Swain. Chester House. Raven's Pass.