Quite a finale at KEE Friday..

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Kasept

KEE nightcap Friday is a 9f $7,500 claimer ending the P5/P4 which includes 2 divisions of the Valley View, an N1X and $50k/N2L.

If NYRA carded that finale to that sequence, there'd be an internet torch & pitchfork parade right out of Frankenstein...

Keeneland does it... Crickets.

The internet is full of whiners and complainers. Considering the amount of support for NYRA on this message board, it becomes a favorite target of the whiners and complainers. There aren't enough Keeneland supporters here to rile up the masses over this.

Myself? I cut my teeth on low level claimers, the more the merrier.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

The internet is full of whiners and complainers. Considering the amount of support for NYRA on this message board, it becomes a favorite target of the whiners and complainers. There aren't enough Keeneland supporters here to rile up the masses over this.

Myself? I cut my teeth on low level claimers, the more the merrier.

Delta Downs starts tonight

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Delta Downs starts tonight

EXCELLENT! Thanks for the reminder.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

The internet is full of whiners and complainers. Considering the amount of support for NYRA on this message board, it becomes a favorite target of the whiners and complainers. There aren't enough Keeneland supporters here to rile up the masses over this.

Myself? I cut my teeth on low level claimers, the more the merrier.

When I got to the point where I thought a random number generator could score a P4 at Keeneland before me I threw in the towel on that track.

[Kasept]

Belmont Fall Meet nightcaps

17Oct12 9Bel fst 3 Md 25000
14Oct12 10Bel gd 3 Clm 20000n2l
13Oct12 10Bel gd 3 Clm 20000b
12Oct12 9Bel gd 3 Clm 20000b
11Oct12 9Bel fst 3 Soc 50000r
8Oct12 10Bel gd 3 Clm 15000b 0
7Oct12 10Bel gd 3 Clm 20000n2l
6Oct12 10Bel fst 3 Clm 15000b
5Oct12 9Bel fst 3 Md 25000
4Oct12 9Bel my 3 Md Sp Wt
3Oct12 9Bel my 3 Md 25000
30Sep12 10Bel fst 3 Clm 20000b
29Sep12 11Bel yl 3 Md Sp Wt
27Sep12 10Bel fm 3 Md 25000
26Sep12 9Bel fm 3 Md 25000
23Sep12 10Bel gd 3 Md Sp Wt
21Sep12 9Bel fst 2 Md 65000
20Sep12 9Bel yl 2 Md Sp Wt
19Sep12 9Bel fst 3 Md 25000
16Sep12 10Bel fm 3 Md 25000
15Sep12 10Bel fst 3 Clm 15000b
14Sep12 9Bel fm 3 Clm 20000b
13Sep12 9Bel fm 3 Md 25000
12Sep12 9Bel fm 3 Clm 20000b
9Sep12 10Bel fst 3 Md Sp Wt
8Sep12 10Bel fst 3 Clm 15000b

[djw]

Facts can be pseky things, can't they?

[Calzone Lord]

I don't personally see any problem with open $7,500 claiming races.

The seven inside-most horses in the race have won 19 races so far this year and it's one of the few races on Keeneland's card today I'm even remotely interested in.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I don't personally see any problem with open $7,500 claiming races.

The seven inside-most horses in the race have won 19 races so far this year and it's one of the few races on Keeneland's card today I'm even remotely interested in.

As a stand alone entity Doug, it's fine. To me though, it's a bad end to a high quality sequence. The 3rd just now had 12 horses in a 6f $30k MCLM where there were 2 FTS and 10 that had been out already. That's at least a quality group with some reliable form and a pair upon which to speculate on breeding/workouts. Why not use that as the nightcap? $7,500 claimers -- and mostly from connections less familiar to a wide player audience -- going 9f is a potential staggerfest that involves a lot of guesswork.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Kasept

As a stand alone entity Doug, it's fine. To me though, it's a bad end to a high quality sequence. The 3rd just now had 12 horses in a 6f $30k MCLM where there were 2 FTS and 10 that had been out already. That's at least a quality group with some reliable form and a pair upon which to speculate on breeding/workouts. Why not use that as the nightcap? $7,500 claimers -- and mostly from connections less familiar to a wide player audience -- going 9f is a potential staggerfest that involves a lot of guesswork.

I didn't see anything even remotely quality or interesting about that entire group.

Here is the horse who won that race:



She's obviously a vastly inferior horse to any decent $7,500 open claiming male ... they would tear her apart.

She won at 3/1 odds after failing at 2/5 odds at Turfway Park at the same class level last time out. The horses that finished 2nd and 3rd to her are the two first-time starters. Obviously -- they would have been the interesting horses -- merely because the experienced horses were all either bums or hard to trust winning.

That race involves WAY more guesswork than the $7,500 claimer race and that race will take about a 76 Beyer to win -- I think a lot of people prefer routes to sprints...so the "staggerfest" comment doesn't make sense to me.

[ranger5830]

Just so we know what we are dealing with, here is a breakdown of the last race of the day for each day at Belmont since the fall meeting started on September 8th:

There have been 30 last races of the day carded so far, including this weekend, and they have been 1 NY Bred stake, 1 Starter allowance/opt. claimer, 5 Maiden Special Weight (1 open, 4 NY bred), 11 maiden claimers (1 65k, 1 50k, the rest 25k or less) and 12 either conditioned or NW2L claimers, all between 15-25k claiming price. So perhaps it's not every day, but there have certainly been a representative number of low-level claiming races to finish up belmont cards.

Breakdown of field size, of 27 races run so far, 5 had 12 horses, 7 had 11, 5 had 10, 3 had 9, 4 had 8, 3 had 7 or less. It's just you remember the three horse field more vividly so it becomes "all the races have short fields" but the actual number don't back up that assertion.

The races draw full competitive fields and as far as I'm concerned that's all that really matters.

[Calzone Lord]

The finale last Saturday at Keeneland was a 30K N2L claimer.

Those two races are very similar -- a good 30K N2L male and a good $7,500 open male are going to be very close on figures -- the only big difference is that the good open $7,500 usually is winning or dropping and the good 30K N2L is consistent at filling out exotic tickets or dropping.

[Brilliance]

Originally Posted by ranger5830

Just so we know what we are dealing with, here is a breakdown of the last race of the day for each day at Belmont since the fall meeting started on September 8th:

There have been 30 last races of the day carded so far, including this weekend, and they have been 1 NY Bred stake, 1 Starter allowance/opt. claimer, 5 Maiden Special Weight (1 open, 4 NY bred), 11 maiden claimers (1 65k, 1 50k, the rest 25k or less) and 12 either conditioned or NW2L claimers, all between 15-25k claiming price. So perhaps it's not every day, but there have certainly been a representative number of low-level claiming races to finish up belmont cards.

Breakdown of field size, of 27 races run so far, 5 had 12 horses, 7 had 11, 5 had 10, 3 had 9, 4 had 8, 3 had 7 or less. It's just you remember the three horse field more vividly so it becomes "all the races have short fields" but the actual number don't back up that assertion.

The races draw full competitive fields and as far as I'm concerned that's all that really matters.

Are you sayin the ENTIRE fall meet at Belmont averaged 8 horses per race?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Brilliance

Are you sayin the ENTIRE fall meet at Belmont averaged 8 horses per race?

Did you read the first sentence of his post?

[Brilliance]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Did you read the first sentence of his post?

I did.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Brilliance

I did.

Reading never has been your strong suit.

[ranger5830]

Originally Posted by Brilliance

Are you sayin the ENTIRE fall meet at Belmont averaged 8 horses per race?

I wasn't saying it there, but I will say it here. Through yesterday, there have been 267 races at Belmont during the fall meet, with a total of 2,213 starters, for an average of 8.288 starters per race. For every 5 horse stakes race or off-the-turf event, there was a big full 12 horse field to make up for it.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by ranger5830

I wasn't saying it there, but I will say it here. Through yesterday, there have been 267 races at Belmont during the fall meet, with a total of 2,213 starters, for an average of 8.288 starters per race. For every 5 horse stakes race or off-the-turf event, there was a big full 12 horse field to make up for it.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by ranger5830

I wasn't saying it there, but I will say it here. Through yesterday, there have been 267 races at Belmont during the fall meet, with a total of 2,213 starters, for an average of 8.288 starters per race. For every 5 horse stakes race or off-the-turf event, there was a big full 12 horse field to make up for it.

Nice work! And the weather has wreaked havoc on the turf races. The other day on ATR Andy quoted an incredible number of races that have come off grass during the meet.