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Old 10-15-2012, 09:47 AM
PatCummings PatCummings is offline
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Default No all-stakes p4 at Woodbine

I've regularly seen/heard Woodbine ridiculed for not putting an all-stakes pick four together in recent years, or at least grouping their big G1 stakes races. It was mentioned in the stakes thread for this weekend too. The numbers suggest they aren't making the wrong decision.

For the last four years, they've run these races on the same weekend...the only difference between the races from 2009-2010 when they did group the stakes, and 2011-2012 when they didn't, is that they used to run these races on a Saturday. Presumably, there is more money available on Saturdays, but less overall stakes action on Sundays. Then again, they go up against the NFL, etc. But as far as the numbers are concerned, they seem to be doing just fine scheduling things the way they have.

2009 early p4 (no stakes) - $73k
2010 early p4 (no stakes) - $86k
2011 early p4 (with Nearctic) - $126k
2012 early p4 (with Durham Cup, Nearctic) - $164k

2009 late p4 (all 3 stakes, 41 horses total) - $128k
2010 late p4 (all 3 stakes, 45 horses total) - $216k
2011 late p4 (2 stakes, 47 horses total) - $198k
2012 late p4 (2 stakes, 45 horses total) - $288k

2009 p4 totals = $201k
2010 p4 totals = $302k
2011 p4 totals = $324k
2012 p4 totals = $452k

2009 total Int'l day handle: $5.802m
2010: $6.322m
2011: $6.400m
2012: $6.326m
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:08 PM
Alan07 Alan07 is offline
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Woodbine has always carded their big stakes for Sundays since the 80's, with some exceptions.

And besides, its better to have a pick 4 with two allowances race and two stakes with full fields, than four stakes with small fields.
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