who won the debate?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I get the Riot stuff, trust me, so point taken.

But I don't know how someone can watch that last night and be excited about our future as a country going forward. Just the opposite for me.

I think the excitement stems more from Obama looking terrible, than the future (at least in the near term) of the country (which probably speaks volumes as us as a society). I'll admit that I'm guilty of this too. But after watching the President be treated as a rock star and seem to never be taken to task for anything, I enjoyed watching him get mopped up last night. He has always been a good speaker (maybe it really is the teleprompter), but last night he just didn't seem sharp or foucused and it hurt him. I felt that four years ago his entire campaign was I'm not Bush and everytime he played that card, his ratings seemed to spike. Last night Romney through some ideas and numbers out there and the President didn't seem to have any answers or comebacks. Also Rommney seemed to have the responses for anything the President through at him.

In the long run, these guys are just politicians and will probably say anything to get elected. I think we all realize this. We just have to hope the lesser of two evils gets elected and somehow gets some things done to get this country going again. Despite what Riot says or posts, things seem like they haven't gotten better during the last 4 years.

As far as if Romney actually said anything, here's what I got Hoss (but I'll admit that I'm far from a political know it all, besides I was also flipping back and forth from the Yankees & O's games). I liked his thoughts about domestic energy. We rely too much on foreign oil, period. I have a good job and what it costs to have two vehicles is obscene. He said he wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class and he seemed to dispel Obama's myth that he's cutting the deficit. He will also repeal Obamacare. At times he sounded like a buisnessman last night and maybe that's what the country needs to get going again. Obviously it could all be lip service, but the president didn't seem like he had any answers for any of it. I think someone else said it, Obama had his 4 years, lets see what the next guy can do.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

In the long run, these guys are just politicians and will probably say anything to get elected. I think we all realize this. We just have to hope the lesser of two evils gets elected and somehow gets some things done to get this country going again. Despite what Riot says or posts, things seem like they haven't gotten better during the last 4 years.

Agree 100%

[Cannon Shell]

If the debate for President is more like the one between Declansharbor and jms62 I might actually watch

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If the debate for President is more like the one between Declansharbor and jms62 I might actually watch

I can't see Romney going all Gangsta and telling that pipsqueak Obama to meet him at Parx... Just don't see it

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

I can't see Romney going all Gangsta and telling that pipsqueak Obama to meet him at Parx... Just don't see it

lol

at one point, in my imagination, i could see one of them coming out from behind the podium and grabbing the other. lmao

now, that would be good tv. who would win a fight?


hey, to hell with another debate. let's have mma between the two, winner of the fight gets the office.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

As far as if Romney actually said anything, here's what I got Hoss (but I'll admit that I'm far from a political know it all, besides I was also flipping back and forth from the Yankees & O's games). I liked his thoughts about domestic energy. We rely too much on foreign oil, period. I have a good job and what it costs to have two vehicles is obscene. He said he wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class and he seemed to dispel Obama's myth that he's cutting the deficit. He will also repeal Obamacare. At times he sounded like a buisnessman last night and maybe that's what the country needs to get going again. Obviously it could all be lip service, but the president didn't seem like he had any answers for any of it. I think someone else said it, Obama had his 4 years, lets see what the next guy can do.

The problem is it's ALL lip service. From both of them.

You hit the nail on the head that Romney is a businessman. A businessman who sent a lot of jobs overseas because it made sense financially. So I find some of his promises a bit tough to believe. But he isn't alone there. They're both full of s.hit.

I can't remember too many politicians ever saying their plan is to raise taxes on the middle class. He was just repeating the same lie most candidates say.

I'm just at the point where I'm tired of elections where we're left with choosing who will screw us over the least. I don't see a lot of people liking Romney for a reason other than they dislike Obama. And vice versa.

It's like we're voting for Homecoming King of the United States.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The problem is it's ALL lip service. From both of them.

You hit the nail on the head that Romney is a businessman. A businessman who sent a lot of jobs overseas because it made sense financially. So I find some of his promises a bit tough to believe. But he isn't alone there. They're both full of s.hit.

I can't remember too many politicians ever saying their plan is to raise taxes on the middle class. He was just repeating the same lie most candidates say.

I'm just at the point where I'm tired of elections where we're left with choosing who will screw us over the least. I don't see a lot of people liking Romney for a reason other than they dislike Obama. And vice versa.

It's like we're voting for Homecoming King of the United States.

I'm not defending him shipping jobs across the sea. That being said, he was running a buisness and thought that was the move to make. But you would think that the country would now be his buisness, he could use his own expierences to reverse the trends and know how to entice firms to bring jobs back. Wishful thinking, quite possibly. But at least there's a buisness backround there.

I agree with you as far as the popularity contest and blame the media.

[Riot]

I can't believe there are not more conservatives here still dancing in the streets about the last few hours of Romney's "successful" debate!

I mean, c'mon guys - "16 Pants-On-Fire Lies" by Romney? "42% False content" statements by your guy?

Throwing conservative ideology under the bus? Switching policy from what he said the day before? Making up numbers out of thin air? No tax breaks?
Embracing Obamacare?

BTW, interesting reading here, and Romney telegraphed 2 days ago he was gonna do this: "Romney Won Using a Debate Technique Called the Gish Gallop" http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...he-Gish-Gallop

I have to give Romney credit, it worked - Obama was so pissed when Romney smirked and lied and said Obamacare had Death Panels you could see the steam from Obama's ears!

And when Romney repeated the $716B Medicare line three times - that took balls. Or panic over a last chance gamechanging attempt.

C'mon guys - you have the rest of the day to bask in success, before the media, Romney himself and John Sununu on his rounds of media shows today destroy the win feel for you.

Obama's poll personal approval today is at 54%, an all-time high from 2009!

Can't wait to see Romney's post debate numbers after that epic lie fest and throwing conservative principles under the bus!

Originally Posted by Riot

I can't believe there are not more conservatives here still dancing in the streets about the last few hours of Romney's "successful" debate!

I mean, c'mon guys - "16 Pants-On-Fire Lies" by Romney? "42% False content" statements by your guy?

Throwing conservative ideology under the bus? Switching policy from what he said the day before? Making up numbers out of thin air? No tax breaks?
Embracing Obamacare?

BTW, interesting reading here, and Romney telegraphed 2 days ago he was gonna do this: "Romney Won Using a Debate Technique Called the Gish Gallop" http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...he-Gish-Gallop

I have to give Romney credit, it worked - Obama was so pissed when Romney smirked and lied and said Obamacare had Death Panels you could see the steam from Obama's ears!

C'mon guys - you have the rest of the day to bask in success, before the media, Romney himself and John Sununu on his rounds of media shows today destroy the win feel for you.

Obama's poll personal approval today is at 54%, an all-time high from 2009!

Can't wait to see Romney's post debate numbers after that epic lie fest and throwing conservative principles under the bus!

^^^^

She just put on a dark blue knit stocking hat and says, ''See? I'm still Rita Riot."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointmanscousin

^^^^

She just put on a dark blue knit stocking hat and says, ''See? I'm still Rita Riot."

And you're still sucking on Romney's balls.

Originally Posted by Riot

And you're still sucking on Romney's balls.

Now,now....I understand the analogy hurts and is embarrassing.Just remember ,I could have made you Carl Douglas.


I never said I am for Romney,did I?

Am simply pointing out what should be common knowledge.

Yours seems to be uncommon to the extreme.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

I can't believe there are not more conservatives here still dancing in the streets about the last few hours of Romney's "successful" debate!

I mean, c'mon guys - "16 Pants-On-Fire Lies" by Romney? "42% False content" statements by your guy?

Throwing conservative ideology under the bus? Switching policy from what he said the day before? Making up numbers out of thin air? No tax breaks?
Embracing Obamacare?

BTW, interesting reading here, and Romney telegraphed 2 days ago he was gonna do this: "Romney Won Using a Debate Technique Called the Gish Gallop" http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...he-Gish-Gallop

I have to give Romney credit, it worked - Obama was so pissed when Romney smirked and lied and said Obamacare had Death Panels you could see the steam from Obama's ears!

C'mon guys - you have the rest of the day to bask in success, before the media, Romney himself and John Sununu on his rounds of media shows today destroy the win feel for you.

Obama's poll personal approval today is at 54%, an all-time high from 2009!

Can't wait to see Romney's post debate numbers after that epic lie fest and throwing conservative principles under the bus!

more factless crap .. your boy really showed so much 'hope' that he made everyone want a 'change'..wait till o bieden gets made to look like the bobblehead he is..you just might lose the election..

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

the only reason anyone is having fun about it is your such a obama fan..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

more factless crap .. your boy really showed so much 'hope' that he made evryone want a 'change'..wait till o bieden gets made to look like the bobblehead he is..you just might lose the election..

since you mentioned it:

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious...-declarations/

We found exaggerations and false claims flying thick and fast during the first debate between President Obama and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.

■Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.
■Romney again promised to “not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans” and also to “lower taxes on middle-income families,” but didn’t say how he could possibly accomplish that without also increasing the deficit.
■Obama oversold his health care law, claiming that health care premiums have “gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.” That’s true of health care spending, but not premiums. And the health care law had little to do with the slowdown in overall spending.
■Romney claimed a new board established by the Affordable Care Act is “going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” Not true. The board only recommends cost-saving measures for Medicare, and is legally forbidden to ration care or reduce benefits.
■Obama said 5 million private-sector jobs had been created in the past 30 months. Perhaps so, but that counts jobs that the Bureau of Labor Statistics won’t add to the official monthly tallies until next year. For now, the official tally is a bit over 4.6 million.
■Romney accused Obama of doubling the federal deficit. Not true. The annual deficit was already running at $1.2 trillion when Obama took office.
■Obama again said he’d raise taxes on upper-income persons only to the “rates that we had when Bill Clinton was president.” Actually, many high-income persons would pay more than they did then, because of new taxes in Obama’s health care law.
■Romney claimed that middle-income Americans have “seen their income come down by $4,300.” That’s too high. Census figures show the decline in median household income during Obama’s first three years was $2,492, even after adjusting for inflation.
■Obama again touted his “$4 trillion” deficit reduction plan, which includes $1 trillion from winding down wars that are coming to an end in any event.

[Riot]

■Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.

Baloney - Romney has mentioned his $5 trillion tax cut multiple times on the trail - it's a staple of his talks. It's on video everywhere. But when asked about how he'll pay for that three times in the debate, Romney denied the tax cut statement existed. Outright lie.

Then, Romney refuses to give any "hows" of how he'll do what he promises.

And independent financial analyists have said it's mathematically impossible to "offset his rates and promise not to add to the deficit".

This is where Romney said the one thing in the debate about how he'll pay for it. He'll cut NPR and Jim Lehrers' job and Big Bird.

What an idiot.

Nice fact checker you quote there. Not very accurate.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

more factless crap .. your boy really showed so much 'hope' that he made evryone want a 'change'..wait till o bieden gets made to look like the bobblehead he is..you just might lose the election..

But I doubt it.

Yes, Romney won last night. No question. Enjoy the one day news cycle good feeling.

The blowback on Romney has already started. Winning a debate by bullying Lehrer and lying doesn't win anything more than a news cycle.

Romney has a long history of lying in all his campaigns, and people won't change and accept it in a president just because he's bullied just like he beat Perry and Gingrich in the primary debates.

And when conservatives start really paying attention to what he said moving to the center last night, let alone the lying on "that's not my position", they'll just get angry all over again.

Enjoy the day. You might even get a bump in the next poll for a day or two.

Obama is the Green Bay Packers. Romney is the Seahawks.