Chalk-Eaters Anonymous

The bottomline is that guys like Andy can come on here and attempt to down people while never ever providing any real substance or value of any kind to the website - but they themselves cannot back up any claims with facts.

I was just trying to end the e-jargon and e-specualtion by telling Andy that I will prove to him whenever he wants that I can out-play him and I will match my BC winning with his, etc...anything.....

It is merely about having accountability and not just running your mouth (or keyboard) all of the time...

I put my money where my mouth is....he was too scared to when provided th opportunity....now THAT is lack of credability in my eyes..

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The bottomline is that guys like Andy can come on here and attempt to down people while never ever providing any real substance or value of any kind to the website - but they themselves cannot back up any claims with facts.

Forgive me for commenting as an infrequent poster here, but why should he feel the need to prove himself on the internet of all places (on which he provides a ton of substance and value) when he's already proven it in the real world? Seems everyone's a winner on-line.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

joel what i say on this thread is in jest..but think aboutwhat you have said..empty your wallets on a obvious no odds horse...how does that make one iota of lodgic as a player.....steve puts out his picks as a public service.....a player who is gambleing for a living would never put out a play he would play himself..its just bad business....

[Scav]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

joel what i say on this thread is in jest..but think aboutwhat you have said..empty your wallets on a obvious no odds horse...how does that make one iota of lodgic as a player.....steve puts out his picks as a public service.....a player who is gambleing for a living would never put out a play he would play himself..its just bad business....

So what, I am not suppose to listen to you anymore?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Scav

So what, I am not suppose to listen to you anymore?

this is not about me...bootleg guy

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

joel what i say on this thread is in jest..but think aboutwhat you have said..empty your wallets on a obvious no odds horse...how does that make one iota of lodgic as a player.....steve puts out his picks as a public service.....a player who is gambleing for a living would never put out a play he would play himself..its just bad business....

Bad business?..Is that a joke? I guess its because we will affect the odds so drastically that it would hurt his living

...I asked for ONE horse...just one to share among DTers...thats all....

Honestly, I don't want the horse nor do I need it....the whole point is how can somebody come on here and bash others for giving out horses and proclaim themself as a premier handicapper in the country while bashing everyobe else's handicapping analysis - and then fail to provide any analysis or selections themself???

Its total hypocracy.....I'm sure Andy is a great handicapper...I wouldn't know though because he only likes to bash other's angles....

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Bad business?..Is that a joke? I guess its because we will affect the odds so drastically that it would hurt his living

...I asked for ONE horse...just one to share among DTers...thats all....

Honestly, I don't want the horse nor do I need it....the whole point is how can somebody come on here and bash others for giving out horses and proclaim themself as a premier handicapper in the country while bashing everyobe else's handicapping analysis - and then fail to provide any analysis or selections themself???

Its total hypocracy.....I'm sure Andy is a great handicapper...I wouldn't know though because he only likes to bash other's angles....

yes it is...lets saythe horse is in a 25k claimer on a week day ..40k in the win pool..this said horse could be 9-1 if he tells two people and they tell two...ect....next thing ya know your getting 8/5..instead of 9-1.....thats bad business..get it..thats all im saying..

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

yes it is...lets saythe horse is in a 25k claimer on a week day ..40k in the win pool..this said horse could be 9-1 if he tells two people and they tell two...ect....next thing ya know your getting 8/5..instead of 9-1.....thats bad business..get it..thats all im saying..

With all due respect, he does NOT have that kind of power, especially on the circuits he plays which are the biggest market share circuits in the game.....

God could give out picks on DT and the odds wouldn't be affected....lets quit kidding ourselves here.....

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

With all due respect, he does NOT have that kind of power, especially on the circuits he plays which are the biggest market share circuits in the game.....

God could give out picks on DT and the odds wouldn't be affected....lets quit kidding ourselves here.....

ok i happen to know guys myself that toss 5.000 win bets...im not saying that if he put a horse out on dt it would be crushed...ah whats tha point you dont get it...

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think you are kind of missing the whole point. I can't speak for Andy, but is it possible he comes on here to shoot the sh*t about horses, and that's it. You are acting like because he is who he is, he HAS to give out horses. No he doesn't. You seem so caught up in people's worth on the board. I come here to talk about the game I love. That's it. And I'm sure most do as well. Since when do people have to give something to the board? You get crap, because you ask for it, and you never, ever will admit when you were wrong. And I really don't think he was bashing you, he was making a joke. Look, any info anyone gives on the board is much appreciated, but no one HAS to do anything.

I know DaHoss...and I think you are missing my point....I could care less if Andy gave out selections or not...I wouldn't use then anyway. The point is thjat people like him love to bash others who take a stance and give an opinion, yet he is always scared to mention horses he likes in races because he is the type who wouldn't want to be bashed when he was wrong - so he never puts himself in that situation, which is fine IF you didn't bash everyone else....

NOBODY owes this site or anybody anything....I agree 100% an that was not my point....Believe me, I ONLY bet my own picks and would never bet anybody elses, and frankly, I am one with the belief that people should come to their own conclusions on things and not need to bet others picks - so your theory is out the door...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

NOBODY owes this site or anybody anything

THIS COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG.

We OWE RESPECT to people that OWN this site, which you DO NOT do whatsoever. You have been asked SEVERAL times to chill the f out and you still don't listen.

If you would learn how to treat people, you wouldn't get the crap you get. And if you also didn't have this need to be "HEARD" then you wouldn't get crap you get.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The bottomline is that guys like Andy can come on here and attempt to down people while never ever providing any real substance or value of any kind to the website - but they themselves cannot back up any claims with facts.

I was just trying to end the e-jargon and e-specualtion by telling Andy that I will prove to him whenever he wants that I can out-play him and I will match my BC winning with his, etc...anything.....

It is merely about having accountability and not just running your mouth (or keyboard) all of the time...

I put my money where my mouth is....he was too scared to when provided th opportunity....now THAT is lack of credability in my eyes..

Please, on handicapping and credibilty you'd be smoked not only by Andy, but several others on this board alone.

But I will say this, in the category of most unintentionally funny posts, you are running circles around everyone.

Please keep up the good work.

[Revolution]

Chalk or no chalk. Doesn't matter. Winners are all that matters. If a chalk wins he is a good bet.

[letswastemoney]

Chalks rarely win and you get almost no profit

[PSH]

I from time to time am guilty of playing chalks.
That said, for example, today at CD race 1
$100 win on the 8
$80 exacta 8-4 and $20 exacta 4-8 equates to net profit of $390 plus.
When it works it is nice.

However, when it doesn't you feel like ****

Bottom line, chalks do win about 30-33% of the time and if you can isolate a chalk with another horse for an exacta or daily double it can get you some $$$.

psh

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by PSH

I from time to time am guilty of playing chalks.
That said, for example, today at CD race 1
$100 win on the 8
$80 exacta 8-4 and $20 exacta 4-8 equates to net profit of $390 plus.
When it works it is nice.

However, when it doesn't you feel like ****

Bottom line, chalks do win about 30-33% of the time and if you can isolate a chalk with another horse for an exacta or daily double it can get you some $$$.

psh

i also bet that chalk. on another thead i called him a near sure thing.
had a big win bet and pk3 and 4's where we can hopefully catch a value horse.

i don't often bet an even money horse, but on this one i thought it was a gift.

[2MinsToPost]

chalk, isn't that what Teachers use in the classroom?

I am in the process of setting it up -

BTW vs Cunningham in a Steel Cage Match in the infield at Churchill Downs during Derby Week 2007. Details forthcoming in the following months

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I put my money where my mouth is....he was too scared to when provided th opportunity....now THAT is lack of credability in my eyes..

I do not know if this is true, but if I were betting I'd bet TRUE.

If it is not a problem I would like you to post the actual story.

This guy has gotten under my skin..........

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

The bottomline is that guys like Andy can come on here and attempt to down people while never ever providing any real substance or value of any kind to the website - but they themselves cannot back up any claims with facts.

I was just trying to end the e-jargon and e-specualtion by telling Andy that I will prove to him whenever he wants that I can out-play him and I will match my BC winning with his, etc...anything.....

It is merely about having accountability and not just running your mouth (or keyboard) all of the time...

I put my money where my mouth is....he was too scared to when provided th opportunity....now THAT is lack of credability in my eyes..

Did you happen to see The DRF tv show with Dan Ilman and Andy? The guy knows his stuff. Lets see. He gave out Street Sense and Round Pound.....said Fleet Indian was a favorite who should be bet against....and when asked about one favorite who you had to play he said Ouija Board.

Horrible opinions huh?

But hey...you had 3 IRS receipts so who are we to question your greatness.

Please change yor name on here to Cunningham Signers LLC.

[Danzig]

ouch, starting early today.

scavs is correct as far as showing respect to steve...BUT, we are all here for hopefully some intelligent dialogue. hopefully attacks on people will be kept to a bare minimum. you know, attack the message--but don't necessarily kill the messenger.
altho i am bothered by 'know it alls' on here at times, as i'm sure all of us on here are, the thing that bothers me the most is someone who attacks every post by certain posters--as if lying in wait to pounce on every opportunity, whether there is a valid point to be made or not.

steve has requested we keep it clean here, so hopefully no hits below the belt.