Mitt Romney calls half of America freeloaders

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Yes exactly.

Thanks again for proving my point.

It's real rocket science, so follow me:

When the economy is bustling along, tax revenues go up.
When the economy sucks, tax revenues go down.

It's a cyclical thing.

there is absolutely NOTHING that a president can do to change that, not by borrowing money to "stimulate" the economy, and certainly not by borrowing money to give away to the ultra-rich in the hopes that maybe, just maybe, they might throw us middle class peasants a crumb and create a job with it (which history has proven again and again over the last 30 years does not work either).

Nothing a President can do, by borrowing money, to fix this. Get it?

It get fixed by:

* getting out of unprovoked, unsubstantiated wars and uninvited occupation of sovereign nations.
* closing every single US military installation abroad unless by doing so creates a clear and present danger to our nation or our allies (ie. we don't need three military installation in Germany, they can pretty well fend for themselves.)
* legalizing and taxing the shi.t out of drugs and ending this 1 trillion+ dollar, 40 year old, failure
* legalizing and taxing all forms of gambling including sports gambling in all 50 states

there is just 4 ideas that would have this deficit cut in half in a year.

And that is straight up Libertarian, my friend.

And why does everyone Anti Romney have to be accused of wanting to raise taxes. I am not for raising taxes.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

And why does everyone Anti Romney have to be accused of wanting to raise taxes. I am not for raising taxes.

Exactly.

It's so simple it's stupid, but the sheep and the fringe freaks refuse to see it.

If one week I purchase something at the store for $5.00,
The following week, I get a 1.00 off coupon and pay 4.00,
The third week I don't have coupon and have to pay 5.00 again - Did the store raise the price??!!

The tax rates were what they were before the Bush plan was put in place to artificially "lower" them by borrowing money to pay for them.

They expired and should not be extended because we don't have the money for them, in fact we are 16 Trillion in debt, in part because of them.

Is that a call to raise them, or did the coupon simply expire??!!

[Thepaindispenser]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Exactly.

It's so simple it's stupid, but the sheep and the fringe freaks refuse to see it.

If one week I purchase something at the store for $5.00,
The following week, I get a 1.00 off coupon and pay 4.00,
The third week I don't have coupon and have to pay 5.00 again - Did the store raise the price??!!

The tax rates were what they were before the Bush plan was put in place to artificially "lower" them by borrowing money to pay for them.

They expired and should not be extended because we don't have the money for them, in fact we are 16 Trillion in debt, in part because of them.

Is that a call to raise them, or did the coupon simply expire??!!

Raising the tax rates won't even come close to closing the deficit, that is not where the problem is.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Raising the tax rates won't even come close to closing the deficit, that is not where the problem is.

Then how about ending the 2 wars that cost how many Trillion already and your boy wants us to get involved with Iran too... He Haw...

[Thepaindispenser]

Originally Posted by jms62

Then how about ending the 2 wars that cost how many Trillion already and your boy wants us to get involved with Iran too... He Haw...

Couldn't agree with you more on that one, we should be out of Afghanistan today.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Couldn't agree with you more on that one, we should be out of Afghanistan today.

And Romeny wants to duke it out with IRAN.. I will vote against him JUST because he has that position. A republican can't cry about the debt and then want to get involved in another war. It is just not logical... A republican can't start 2 wars and then cry about the debt. A republican can't start the ball rolling on the bailouts and then cry about the debt simply because their guy who got the ball rolling is no longer in office.

[Thepaindispenser]

Originally Posted by jms62

And Romeny wants to duke it out with IRAN.. I will vote against him JUST because he has that position. A republican can't cry about the debt and then want to get involved in another war. It is just not logical... A republican can't start 2 wars and then cry about the debt. A republican can't start the ball rolling on the bailouts and then cry about the debt simply because their guy who got the ball rolling is no longer in office.

We never should have gone into Iraq, but are you saying we shouldn't have originally gone into Afghanistan?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by jms62

And Romeny wants to duke it out with IRAN.. I will vote against him JUST because he has that position. A republican can't cry about the debt and then want to get involved in another war. It is just not logical... A republican can't start 2 wars and then cry about the debt. A republican can't start the ball rolling on the bailouts and then cry about the debt simply because their guy who got the ball rolling is no longer in office.

I think the issue is more complicated than this. We can debate whether we should have gotten involved in the wars in the first place and theier cost, but that is not going to change the position we are in now and we we have to go forward. We can just pull all our troops but the question that then has to be asked is what happens after that. If we just leave these countries open to be taken over by terrorists, then we are inviting an even bigger war than we are in now.

As far as Iran goes, I do not believe that Romney wants to get into a war with Iran, but that he has a fundemental difference with Obama on how to handle preventing Iran from getting a nuclear bomb. I believe that Obama has been very weak on this issue and has not done enough to stop it. Obama is coming off as a leader unwilling to use force and it seems that those with an agenda against the U.S. are starting to test him. If Iran gets a nuclear bomb, we just may see a much bigger war then what we are in right now and I think Romney is more likely to take action to prevent them from getting a nuclear bomb.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Raising the tax rates won't even come close to closing the deficit, that is not where the problem is.

true, spending cuts need to be done as well.

romney wants to raise defense spending, already the biggest single budget item for the fed.

did you know it takes every other country in the world added together on defense to equal our defense spending alone? and he wants to raise it. why?

[Thepaindispenser]

Originally Posted by Danzig

true, spending cuts need to be done as well.

romney wants to raise defense spending, already the biggest single budget item for the fed.

did you know it takes every other country in the world added together on defense to equal our defense spending alone? and he wants to raise it. why?

I agree Danzig cuts needs to come from everywhere including the military.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

I agree Danzig cuts needs to come from everywhere including the military.

then why in the world are you backing romney? he wants to grow an already costly bloated mess.

[Thepaindispenser]

Originally Posted by Danzig

then why in the world are you backing romney? he wants to grow an already costly bloated mess.

I dont agree with Romney on a lot of things, but I think Obama is the most dangerous President we have ever seen as far as threats to our liberty. I also think a corrupt stimulus, health care that majority of America didn't want that is killing job growth, enforcing business killing edicts through the EPA that he couldn't get passed in Congress, money thrown at big money donors with doomed business plans, funding corrupt public sector unions, etc. is a good way to grow an economy.

Trust me, Romney is lesser of two evils at this point. Big government has failed everywhere it has been tried, why would this country be any different?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

And why does everyone Anti Romney have to be accused of wanting to raise taxes. I am not for raising taxes.