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Old 09-14-2012, 09:28 PM
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why were there so many less injuries when players didn't wear helmets. Bobby Hull's shot with a wooden stick was harder than any of these guys with there fancy sticks. There was nothing more exciting watching The Roadrunner coming busting over center ice with a full head of steam and a full head of hair. Part of the allure of the great Bobby Orr was that you could see him. The game was so exciting back then it was incredible, not this zone trap bull. Non playoff hockey is a joke and needs a change.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:01 PM
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why were there so many less injuries when players didn't wear helmets. Bobby Hull's shot with a wooden stick was harder than any of these guys with there fancy sticks. There was nothing more exciting watching The Roadrunner coming busting over center ice with a full head of steam and a full head of hair. Part of the allure of the great Bobby Orr was that you could see him. The game was so exciting back then it was incredible, not this zone trap bull. Non playoff hockey is a joke and needs a change.
There are two types of injuries in hockey..or..any other sport. Call them intended, or unintended..ie...hitting a guy in the head with a stick or...getting tripped up on an icing call and going face first into the boards.

I agree..I think..that if everyone did not wear a helmet it might minimize the intended stuff..but...if a helmet helps reduce the unintended (slapshot in the head)..why in the world would you want to campaign for no headgear?
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:13 PM
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Don't put your head in front of a slapshot. If you do get hit the helmet isn't gonna save you. Why do all these guys have concussions if they all wear helmets ? Not thugs, big stars....open your mind
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:20 PM
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Don't put your head in front of a slapshot. If you do get hit the helmet isn't gonna save you. Why do all these guys have concussions if they all wear helmets ? Not thugs, big stars....open your mind
Your First sentence..huh? Your second sentence...are you kidding?? your third sentence..how many more would if they weren't...And Al Bundy, I have and do skate...OK..Serious question...would you send your kid out without a helmet?
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Old 09-15-2012, 07:39 AM
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Your First sentence..huh? Your second sentence...are you kidding?? your third sentence..how many more would if they weren't...And Al Bundy, I have and do skate...OK..Serious question...would you send your kid out without a helmet?
Seems to me, AS would like to see the NHL All Star game type play every night. I don't watch the All Star game so I can comfortably say that I wouldn't watch helmetless hockey with no hitting and guys making sure they stay out of they way of slapshots.
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Old 09-15-2012, 07:45 AM
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Seems to me, AS would like to see the NHL All Star game type play every night. I don't watch the All Star game so I can comfortably say that I wouldn't watch helmetless hockey with no hitting and guys making sure they stay out of they way of slapshots.



and how can guys stay out of the way anyway? they don't all necessarily have their eye on the puck the entire time-we all know how quickly the game moves.
hard to avoid the thing if your back is to the shot. hard to avoid even if you're looking at it! guys get hit by the puck quite often in a game when they block shots.

couple years ago, nick backstrom played a portion of a power play without a stick. i doubt he'd have involved himself quite so much in the penalty kill without a helmet; he blocked several shots with his body. amazing display.
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Old 09-15-2012, 08:47 AM
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a la Don Awrey ?

how come nothing ever happened to MacTavish. What about the 50 years before the helmet. Don't forget hockey players are tough. They can take it. I would like to see a poll of the players. example. you are making 800K, if you stop wearing the helmet, your salary goes right to 960K. what would the vote be ?
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:50 PM
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Don't put your head in front of a slapshot. If you do get hit the helmet isn't gonna save you. Why do all these guys have concussions if they all wear helmets ? Not thugs, big stars....open your mind

1-absolutely absurd.
2-mike green got hit by a pick just above his ear last season. the helmet was the difference in him only missing the rest of that game, vs missing weeks- or something worse.

concussions will occur regardless of helmets. and many times they come with a check in open ice. not a cheap hit, not boarding...look at crosby when he got hit a couple times within a week. neither was a blow to the head. but with the force of his head being whipped in one direction and then another because of a check, he got concussed. the head doesn't actually have to hit an object to get a concussion.
however, i promise you that the players suffering hits to their head are happy to have a helmet between their noggin and whatever is hitting them. but to suggest that a player would be better off without a helmet is unrealistic.


as for the talks of bobby orr...you do remember about the removal of the rule against a two-line pass just a few years ago? that has sped up the game considerably. many feel that is why there are more concussions occurring these days. not because of helmets being worn.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:44 AM
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yeah, i like to tell people that when they ask 'why hockey'? there aren't many fans down here at all.
i prefer watching football on tv. hockey is best live. good stuff. i'm definitely suffering withdrawals.
my daughter came by the other day-i had on vermont vs maine. she teased me about it. 'college hockey, mom?!' yeah! it's hockey!
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:38 AM
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Union Busting..
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:57 PM
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:05 PM
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Do people earning an average of 2.4 MILLION dollars a year really need a union?
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Old 12-30-2012, 07:23 AM
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I predict this will get settled within the next 10 days. Both sides realize losing a full season is MORONIC.

The deal the players will have to settle for won't be great, but it's not like it will get better next year after missing a full season.

I agree that player salaries are relatively enormous, and that cutting them by any relatively small percentage won't hurt anyone tremendously. But what will be accomplished is the big market owners will benefit GREATLY, while the teams, and thereby the fans of said teams, will be hurt significantly. Because with the lower salary cap, top big market teams won't be able to keep their top players.

And without any significant profit sharing, the smaller markets will still struggle.

This is what Boston's Jeremy Jacobs is ring-leading.

But for the players, there is no alternative.
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:34 PM
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Do people earning an average of 2.4 MILLION dollars a year really need a union?
Based on the last 10 years of behavior by the owners and commissioner, absolutely.

I dont understand the infatution with salaries. Whatever the players get is fair. No one holds a gun to owners heads to sign them. The biggest fallacy there is in sports is that fans costs go up because of higher salaries. That is nonsense. The prices go up to whatever the market will bear regarless of expenses. When salaries are cut no ticket discounts are given
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