Archwarrior

pyramid · #1 08-30-2012, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

A whole lot of hype coming in on this Pletcher debuter tomorrow at Saratoga. He's been entered a few times before but failed to draw in.

In his August 12th workout at Saratoga -- he worked in company with Stay Thirsty and started off 2 lengths behind him -- he bested him in hand with Velazquez reportedly through splits of 25.2, 37.2 and finished in 101.2 getting his gallop out in 114.2

Archwarrior came out of the OBS March 2yo sale and brought $375,000 there.

My notes on him:

"Not the type of pedigree that normally does well here. Arch on top and the dam failed to break her maiden until her 7th try when she rallied from 7th early to win at 11 furlongs. The 3rd dam was a champion in South America and the tail female family is all Argentina bred. Very stamina slanted pedigree in general, extremely so for a 1f performer under-tack.

The undertack drill was far from a disaster though -- good long fluid stride and average speed for a 1f drill at this sale while blinkered. Hartley/DeRenzio. Maybe not on debut sprinting -- but very good look in an elongated one-turn race when stretched out. Sold VERY well. 8f one-turn look"

I think the horse is obviously training well -- but I sure didn't see a quick footed precocious sprint type -- if he doesn't do something impressive tomorrow -- Stay Thirsty is going to look like a huge bet-against to me.

I am not so sure Stay Thirsty isn't a huge bet-against even if Archwarrior does perform to his hype. His next work on 8/26 was very uninspiring as well, as he was tiring very badly towards the end and had little for the gallop out. Archwarrior will be very interesting as I know they are lining up with blank checks already looking to buy him before he has even cooled out. Any guesses what O/U of this field size will be? I make the total 5 1/2.

10 pnt move up · #2 08-30-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pyramid

I am not so sure Stay Thirsty isn't a huge bet-against even if Archwarrior does perform to his hype. His next work on 8/26 was very uninspiring as well, as he was tiring very badly towards the end and had little for the gallop out. Archwarrior will be very interesting as I know they are lining up with blank checks already looking to buy him before he has even cooled out. Any guesses what O/U of this field size will be? I make the total 5 1/2.

http://www.drf.com/news/saratoga-sta...odward-workers

So is this guy blind?

If Stay Thirsty is a bet against what does that say about the chalk in that race given this workout report from 8/26 and what your saying?

ateamstupid · #3 08-30-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

http://www.drf.com/news/saratoga-sta...odward-workers

So is this guy blind?

If Stay Thirsty is a bet against what does that say about the chalk in that race given this workout report from 8/26 and what your saying?

It says you're refusing to consider that different people can get different impressions from workouts.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #4 08-30-2012, 12:23 PM

why not the hopefull..sounds like he may have issues..and trust me they will be race riding against him..imo

tiggerv · #5 08-30-2012, 01:04 PM

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King Glorious · #6 08-30-2012, 01:14 PM

Solid. Didn't see spectacular though.

KirisClown · #7 08-30-2012, 01:17 PM

The race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY1gVuV3T3M

cmorioles · #8 08-30-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Solid. Didn't see spectacular though.

If you really want to see a future star, the last thing you want is some horse blitzing the group by 10 with blazing fractions.

-BT- · #9 08-30-2012, 02:49 PM

I had $5 across on him

#easymoney

-bt-

Indian Charlie · #10 08-30-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-

I had $5 across on him

#easymoney

-bt-

I came out of retirement to bet him too, mostly because his sire was the damsire of Uncle Mo.

MaTH716 · #11 08-30-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-

I had $5 across on him

#easymoney

-bt-

Wow, I guess he is that good.

-BT- · #12 08-30-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

Wow, I guess he is that good.

i didn't even watch the race or get out of the betting line, just stood there waiting to hear the word "official" and then demanded the poor ol lady behind the counter to PAY ME!!!!

-bt-

cmorioles · #13 08-30-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-

I had $5 across on him

#easymoney

-bt-

What you going to do with that windfall?

my miss storm cat · #14 08-30-2012, 06:18 PM

Sorry I missed the race.

No one told me the second coming was scheduled for today.

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

What you going to do with that windfall?

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Originally Posted by Cardus

I've notified the IRS already.
Its agents are on the case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc

freddymo · #15 08-31-2012, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

I've notified the IRS already.

Its agents are on the case.

If they only knew

CumuloNimbus · #16 09-04-2012, 10:30 PM

I don't like the 8-hosses-only rule; makes for shorter prices in baby races.

As for Archwarrior, meh. Orb, trained by the 21st-century Shug who no longer wins with firsters, was, IMNSHO, far more impressive in his first start.