Five Hidden Obamacare Taxes that Crush the Middle Class

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

They were all outlined in detail??? Even Nancy Pelosi said they needed to pass it to find out what was in it.

I'm so tired of hearing that last sentence misused and taken out of context as to imply ignorance of the bill contents.

Yes - before the ACA was finalized, there were four different versions floating around between the House and Senate, between Dems and GOP.

Pelosi was asked in a press conference what would be in the final version, and yes, Nancy Pelosi said they would need to pass a finalized bill before we knew for sure. Meaning, she didn't know on that date which version would be the one that would end up being passed.

But of course, the content of all the different bills, including the funding mechanisms, were indeed in those written bills, there to read.

And as the ACA was passed, yes, the funding was discussed publicly in great detail at the time.

There's nothing "hidden". And the bill has been law for 2 years. Seems most would have read it by now. Especially as most of it - including the funding - has already been in existence or will be shortly.

BTW, do you realize the ACA relation to Romney's current lie about the $716 billion in Medicare?

Do you realize how much of it is left up to the discretion of Kathleen Sebelius and the rest of her dictatorship board? You really make no sense.

Do tell us which of the financing portion of the ACA is left up to the random discretion of the Health and Human Services Director, be they appointed by a Republican or a Democrat?

[Thepaindispenser]

Exactly Riot, the more we find out about Obamacare the more we know how much Obama lied about it. Reducing the deficit and covering more people, what a filthy liar. My premiums have already shot up and it hasn't even kicked in yet. Not only that, the quality of my care, or at least what I can afford, has already diminished. Why do you think Obama made sure it wouldnt kick in until after the 2012 election? Why has he granted waivers to his biggest donors? If the law was so great, wouldn't he want it up and running before the election? If it is so great why all the waivers for his big donor pals. I reiterate, you make no sense.

Please point out where I said Sebelius has discretion over financing because I can't seem to find it in my post.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Exactly Riot, the more we find out about Obamacare the more we know how much Obama lied about it. Reducing the deficit and covering more people, what a filthy liar. My premiums have already shot up and it hasn't even kicked in yet. Not only that, the quality of my care, or at least what I can afford, has already diminished. Why do you think Obama made sure it wouldnt kick in until after the 2012 election? Why has he granted waivers to his biggest donors? If the law was so great, wouldn't he want it up and running before the election? If it is so great why all the waivers for his big donor pals. I reiterate, you make no sense.

Reading you is like a stream-of-conciousness mainline from Freepers Fearville of Lies.

It's so sad you believe that.

Please point out where I said Sebelius has discretion over financing because I can't seem to find it in my post.

It was where you said,

"Do you realize how much of it is left up to the discretion of Kathleen Sebelius and the rest of her dictatorship board? You really make no sense."

[Thepaindispenser]

Again, where does it say discretion over financing?

Nice try with Nancy Pelosi, she is an elitist piece of garbage, who thinks that we should trust her liberal politician pals and her to make laws where there is no transpency during the process and that don't apply to them. If Obamacare is so great, why doesn't apply to members of Congress and Obama? Why did Obama lie so much about being transparent during the process?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Again, where does it say discretion over financing?

You put that sentence directly into a reply about the financing of the ACA. Duh.

Nice try with Nancy Pelosi, she is an elitist piece of garbage, who thinks that we should trust her liberal politician pals and her to make laws where there is no transpency during the process and that don't apply to them.

You are simply incapable of talking politics. You can only spew your hate venom. Done with you. Blech.

[Thepaindispenser]

You just can't take it that you can no longer get away with your bullying and lies on this board.

Again, I still don't see where I said Sebelius has control over financing.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

You just can't take it that you can no longer get away with your bullying and lies on this board.

Again, I still don't see where I said Sebelius has control over financing.

Riot: "These [ the financing of the ACA ] are not "hidden", as they were all outlined in detail and discussed publicly when the Affordable Care Act was passed two years ago."

Lil' Sockpuppet: "They were all outlined in detail??? Even Nancy Pelosi said they needed to pass it to find out what was in it. Do you realize how much of it is left up to the discretion of Kathleen Sebelius and the rest of her dictatorship board? You really make no sense. "

Smacks palm on forehead! Of course! What in the world would your last sentence, about "it", have to do with the subject of your paragraph and what we are discussing - the financing of the ACA!

Why in the WORLD could anyone assume that? It's crazy, I tell you! Crazy!

Really, I can't believe how you survive, with all this bullying and lies. You poor, poor thing!

[Danzig]

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/big...se-in-history/


posted that link in another thread, but figured it should be inserted here as well.


an excerpt:

A Big Increase

There’s no question that the package of taxes and other revenue-raisers (lol nice euphemism for tax) that the law contains constitute a large increase. The most recent estimate from the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation puts the total for more than a dozen different tax increases and other “revenue-related provisions” at $675 billion between now and 2022.

And that’s not counting the effect of penalty payments by individuals who refuse to take out health insurance (estimated by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to be $54 billion over the same period. The JCT tax estimate also doesn’t count penalties paid by large employers (those with 50 employees or more). CBO estimates they will pay $113 billion during the period, rather than provide insurance coverage for their workers.



and then there's this at the end:

“[i]f both the premium and the penalty are considered a tax (and the scotus evidently considers it so, witness the ruling), the mandate becomes the largest tax increase in U.S. history,” writes Merrill Matthews, a conservative commenter on the Forbes.com website.