US Citizenship for sale - $465.00

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Originally Posted by Riot

Your title is an outright exaggerated lie. They do not get citizenship.

They get a work permit, and that's it. They do not get any citizenship rights. They get no preferential treatment . They are risking a lot, as they could be deported.

This is a good thing. Actually, it's a great thing. Yes, thank you, President Obama, for doing what Bush wanted to do for so long. Let those young people that served in our military and are good citizens get a work permit to try to get on the path to citizenship.

A reminder - Obama has already deported over 800,000 illegal immigrants, more than the entire 8 years of Bush. Illegal immigration is judged way down because of it.

Oh - and they pay $465 so American citizens who hate immigrants here through no fault of their own can't bitch and moan and effing whine that "my taxes" are paying for this. They are not. The immigrants are paying for it.

Check your sources.

Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far. Fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million.

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/15/opinio...ntent=My+Yahoo

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Military service should grant citizenship, instantly.
Advanced degree, might as well include them too. Can't have Engineers, Scientists and Doctors (not that anyone will want to become Dr.s anymore) leaving or being kicked out.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Military service should grant citizenship, instantly.
Advanced degree, might as well include them too. Can't have Engineers, Scientists and Doctors (not that anyone will want to become Dr.s anymore) leaving or being kicked out.

and i think that was the point for the mandate, many people who we would want to stay here don't. they all get lumped into a group.
and anyone who is outraged just at the thought that an illegal might be able to stay....ever hear of empathy? it's the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes mentally. just imagine being brought here as an infant or young child, this being the only home you ever have known. you grow up here, meld here, feel every inch an american. and then you find your parents didn't follow all the proper procedures, and you might get sent to somewhere you know nothing about-the language, the culture, nothing. boy, that sounds great, doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by Danzig

and i think that was the point for the mandate, many people who we would want to stay here don't. they all get lumped into a group.
and anyone who is outraged just at the thought that an illegal might be able to stay....ever hear of empathy? it's the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes mentally. just imagine being brought here as an infant or young child, this being the only home you ever have known. you grow up here, meld here, feel every inch an american. and then you find your parents didn't follow all the proper procedures, and you might get sent to somewhere you know nothing about-the language, the culture, nothing. boy, that sounds great, doesn't it?

Why two years then?

had to keep the union groups satisfied that is he pro-labor in America.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Why two years then?

had to keep the union groups satisfied that is he pro-labor in America.

i'd imagine they wanted a long enough period, but not too long-perhaps there's an ability to reapply after? that way, a new fee paid as well. more money comes in.

and like the first linked article said, it's not a path to citizenship. it's just a way to get people to get 'legal', come out of the shadows, get enrolled, and for the govt to most importantly get some $$$. it allows them to weed out the ones they don't want to stay.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Check your sources.

Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far. Fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million.

Link your source. Because not even the Obama or Bush administrations have used the numbers you are using.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Link your source. Because not even the Obama or Bush administrations have used the numbers you are using.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-any-other-pr/

See I have a source. Instead of just believing whatever the party line is.

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-any-other-pr/

See I have a source. Instead of just believing whatever the party line is.

It's nice to see you finally try to use actual facts!

According to current figures from Immigration and Customs Enforcement -- the federal agency responsible for deportations -- Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far.

Technically, that's fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million. But Bush’s number covers eight full years, which doesn’t allow an apples-to-apples comparison.

If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead.

Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents.

Works for me - keep going at that rate, Obama, you're readily eclipsing George W. by nearly a third! If one wants immigrants deported, it appears Obama's ramped it up, and he's your man