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Old 08-02-2012, 06:33 PM
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What can you tell us about Quick Casablanca, the horse that ran second to her in her last race? I think there are a couple of grade one wins on her record since then too right?
Yes -- after Amani destroyed Quick Casablanca in the Chile St Ledger in her most recent race -- Quick Casablanca came back and won his next start at 24/1 odds over Argentina's Horse of the Year Expressive Halo (best horse in South American right now)

Here's the video of that race: It's a 400K stake and South America's most important weight-for-age event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qa9gBUBESs
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:09 PM
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All of the signs are pointing to this Amani as being a serious race horse. I'm looking forward to seeing her more than the Whitney or Vanderbilt or any other race this weekend. The fact that she hasn't been out in such a long time plus the fake dirt reserves me just a little but I'm still anxious to see her.
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Old 08-02-2012, 07:20 PM
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Drysdale is generally a poor layoff trainer.

Also, the horse is running without lasix and giving a slight competitive advantage away for no reason.

She has the most impressive South American form of any filly I've ever seen -- but I'll watch one.

A. P. Indy was 5th at Woodbine in a racce dominated by two hapless Canadian horses when Drysdale brought him back from just a 3+ month layoff after winning the Belmont. He eventually rebounded and won Horse of the Year.
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I hope she's more ready than Fly Lexus Fly.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:51 AM
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I hope she's more ready than Fly Lexus Fly.
She's A LOT more horse than Fly Lexus Fly.

Fly Lexus Fly was a nice dominant horse in a region where scarcely a decent allowance horse is ever seen. He was a faster version of Tomcito and still has a chance to prove himself a good horse over here.

Amani is unquestionably the best South American filly in a long, long time...and the dirt racing in South America is generally a lot better than the turf racing.

How she handles the new climate and comes back from the long layoff and all that remains to be seen.

Some fillies like Bayakoa, Riboletta, Paseana, Wild Spirit etc. etc. will thrive and get a lot better here, some will struggle to reproduce their South American form. It always helps if these imports have a trainer who has some magic to them.
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:20 AM
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Here a few other good ones to come out of these series of races in Chile.

Puerto Madero (like Lido Palace, was Horse of the Year in Chile) he was beaten in the St Ledger -- that's the race Amani dominated against the males in her final start in Chile.



He was an in-and-outer -- but was very good when right. His best moment came when he won the Donn Handicap over Behrens and Silver Charm.



Cocoa Beach had a very similar early form -- she was undefeated in Chile -- but never won anything more than a Grade 3 there.





She was a nice 3-surface horse. In her 2nd US start, she beat our hapless champion Ginger Punch in a Grade 1 on dirt.

In her 3rd US start, she traveled cross-country and finished 2nd to Zenyatta over the same track where Zenyatta won the Classic at the following year.

In her 4th US start, she won a Grade 1 race on turf over 3-time Grade 1 winner Precious Kitten.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:52 PM
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Drysdale is generally a poor layoff trainer.

Also, the horse is running without lasix and giving a slight competitive advantage away for no reason.

She has the most impressive South American form of any filly I've ever seen -- but I'll watch one.

A. P. Indy was 5th at Woodbine in a racce dominated by two hapless Canadian horses when Drysdale brought him back from just a 3+ month layoff after winning the Belmont. He eventually rebounded and won Horse of the Year.
The polytrack is probably a concern as well.
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Thoughts?
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The horse will never make me money but overall a good closing effort and fits in the class with these.
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Try dirt.
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:23 PM
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I thought the performance was a pretty decent building block for a horse who hadn't yet run this year.

It's tough to win "Grade 1" route races off of 250 day layoffs, especially for a guy like Drysdale who isn't going to crank them up and has been a poor layoff trainer over the years.

Without numbers to look at yet -- the horse broke slow and awkwardly early. Looked pretty dull in the early and middle, and made a nice steady, strong stretch run to be beaten less than 2 lengths and continued on with a very strong gallop out past the wire.

If someone sharp like Dutrow had this horse -- he'd get her a rabbit. In Chile, the more quick and contested the pace appeared, the more markedly better she performed.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:58 AM
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All of the signs are pointing to this Amani as being a serious race horse. I'm looking forward to seeing her more than the Whitney or Vanderbilt or any other race this weekend. The fact that she hasn't been out in such a long time plus the fake dirt reserves me just a little but I'm still anxious to see her.
If she's anything like We Can Seek turned out to be I can't wait to see what names you call her.

Hope she's all that.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:20 PM
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If she's anything like We Can Seek turned out to be I can't wait to see what names you call her.
The expectations for her have to be a ton higher than they were for We Can Seek.





We Can Seek was a fairly useful plodder for Mark Henning. He finished 4th in the Whitney Handicap won by Invasor -- ahead of a few good also-rans like Premium Tap and Flower Alley.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:16 PM
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The expectations for her have to be a ton higher than they were for We Can Seek.
I was expecting the second coming, I'm embarrassed to say.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:43 PM
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I was expecting the second coming, I'm embarrassed to say.
There's no way you could have seen the foreign form of that horse and expected anything here. No way possible.
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There's no way you could have seen the foreign form of that horse and expected anything here. No way possible.
Why would you say that Kingie... because of my infinite wisdom?

It was 2005. I had been a fan for an entire year. No idea if you remember how over the top my expectations were at times. (They still are but in a less ridiculous way).

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The expectations for her have to be a ton higher than they were for We Can Seek.





We Can Seek was a fairly useful plodder for Mark Henning. He finished 4th in the Whitney Handicap won by Invasor -- ahead of a few good also-rans like Premium Tap and Flower Alley.
Slowest track of the century at Aqueduct to run 2:08+ at 1 1/4 miles and still receive a 97 Beyer?
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