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Old 08-01-2012, 11:43 AM
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A lot of journeymen riders won't make the lower weight, so it will be moot many times.
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:51 AM
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:07 PM
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What a great Study that had to Be. Yep lasix makes them Faster. It has to make you laugh if you really believe that. Come on Folks Surely You see why this Study is absolutely Bogus. It is so easy to see I am Not even Going to tell you what it is.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:23 PM
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What a great Study that had to Be. Yep lasix makes them Faster. It has to make you laugh if you really believe that. Come on Folks Surely You see why this Study is absolutely Bogus. It is so easy to see I am Not even Going to tell you what it is.
Please, inform us ignorant ones.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:21 PM
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We can't, it is on the banned substance list for human athletes.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:26 PM
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We can't, it is on the banned substance list for human athletes.
Actually that isnt true
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:30 PM
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Actually that isnt true
Well, from two days ago:

"Earlier on Sunday, Uzbekistan's only gymnast at the Games, Luiza Galiulina, was temporarily suspended after her first sample came in positive for the drug Furosemide, often used as a masking agent for other banned substances."
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:35 PM
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Well, from two days ago:

"Earlier on Sunday, Uzbekistan's only gymnast at the Games, Luiza Galiulina, was temporarily suspended after her first sample came in positive for the drug Furosemide, often used as a masking agent for other banned substances."
Yes, but that's a long-ago holdover human drug rules, based upon long-ago crude testing techniques. Now our detection methods are so sophisticated we can detect 99.999% of illegal substances through (in spite of) a lasix-induced diuresis (diluting the urine to make an illegal drug less detectable, as it's less concentrated) That did not used to be the case 30 years ago.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:49 PM
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I'm not against giving weight breaks to horses running without lasix.

If owners are going to choose not to use this therapeutic drug to protect their horses lungs, then maybe we should try to protect these horses in other ways.

There are multiple causes of EIPH, it's a disease of all horses, not just TB race horses. And we know that decreasing the severity of exercise (the pounding, the gasping for air, the effort) decreases EIPH in any horse.

So the weight break proposition is more to help prevent these non-lasix horses from bleeding as they are now unprotected from the best drug we have to help them, IMO.

If we were doing this scientifically, worried about the actual health and welfare of the horse, related to EIPH, instead of as knee-jerk reaction to "drug problem", there are other things that could be considered:

First, diagnosis of lasix eligibility could be done only by an official track vet, not the trainer/owners hired vet, if using endoscopy.

This would require the tracks to hire at least two veterinarians to be present during all racing hours, morning and afternoon, to scope horses as needed.

This will, however, miss a great majority of EIPH, which we know is undetectable on crude endoscopy, yet present in 97% of horses.

So I would add a rule, that any horse not racing on lasix must wear a FLAIR nasal strip. This is based upon the proven efficacy of the FLAIR strip to help decrease EIPH. If the point is to decrease bleeding, do it.

This will will allow more of our horses to suffer lung damage, however.

Again: I join the rest of the overwhelming of the veterinary community who supports the use of appropriate therapeutic medications on race day, for the improved safety and welfare of the race horse. That means lasix use, not just in the mornings on those days a horse works at speed, but during races, too.

It's absurd to protect the horse's lungs in the mornings, and deny them therapeutic protection in the afternoons.
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Old 08-01-2012, 01:09 PM
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Well, from two days ago:

"Earlier on Sunday, Uzbekistan's only gymnast at the Games, Luiza Galiulina, was temporarily suspended after her first sample came in positive for the drug Furosemide, often used as a masking agent for other banned substances."
Yeah gymnastics. Note it wasnt called a performance enhancing drug. Jockeys arent tested for lasix.
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Old 08-01-2012, 01:23 PM
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Yeah gymnastics. Note it wasnt called a performance enhancing drug. Jockeys arent tested for lasix.
Of course they aren't. I doubt they are tested for much of anything.
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Old 08-01-2012, 01:25 PM
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Of course they aren't. I doubt they are tested for much of anything.
Alcohol for one, see Desormeaux, Kent
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