Tom Durkin we missed you

Revolution · #1 11-08-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Mike..

Haskin said the EXACT same thing Sunday.. that Denman had so rehersed his Bernardini down the stretch call, that he was utterly unprepared for an alternative result.. And then had little emotion to offer a call that will be heard for a long time...

Haskin also said a win by Bernardini would have him join the immortals or racing. These guys are supposed to be the great writers of the sport but are nothing more than cheerleaders, clueless ones at that.

#2 11-08-2006, 07:04 PM

Well, that makes two of us....I didn't think Bernardini woul lose either

Seriously, if this is true about Trevor it would disappoint me...I don't respect any announcer who preconcieves sayings and such on races that haven't run yet....I don't mind him handicapping and thinking Bernie is going to kick on, but when you realize he is not then you have to call the race fairly andf like you never thought of the outcome beforehand..

Hell, I knew Bernardini was beat when I saw Javier have to scrub on him pretty good going into the far turn because I know the horse well enough to understand that he had never had to be asked that hard to move to the lead in the past - and that he was not going to run his race Saturday.....Trevor should have realized that too....

I always hate the premeditated calls....tghey are easy to tell too because they are always cheesy and obvious.....

For example, the "Cowabunga Dude" call when Surf Cat won earlier this year was ridiculously lame IMO......

#3 11-08-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

He could have won by 10 lengths and he would not be an immortal.

Here is Haskin

"As Bernardini stormed past the leaders in the Breeders' Cup Classic - Powered by Dodge (gr. I), only the long Churchill Downs stretch stood between him and immortality."

Who is he kidding? A Preakness, Travers and BCC would make him an immortal? Who paid him to write that one? Was that for the Darley catalog? He could have won the race and he still would never enter the top 50 horses of all-time.

Well, I don't know about you but going into the Big Dance I know that all kinds of people crowned him the second coming of Secretariat, Seattle Slew, etc. Me? Notsomuch and I don't agree with that pre-Breeders' Cup assesment whatsoever. But LOTS of people dubbed him virtually immortal and predicted he'd be one of the all-time greats. Had he won, I have little doubt at how many people would be posting "Bernardini the Great" threads!

I think Haskin was simply playing on pre-Breeders' Cup public opinion, whether we agree or not. He's all over these boards, reading and soaking up what people think.

Revolution · #4 11-08-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who said you had to be in the top 50 horses to be an immortal?.

Go ahead, list the immortals. There are about 20 of them and Bernardini could have won by 20 and he wasn't going to be one. These writers that hype things lose touch with reality. Bernardini beat a bunch of garbage all year and then one win was going to make him an immortal. Great. Heck, Funny Cide has more of a claim than a horse like Bernardini. Atleast he raced in the Belmont and had a chance at a triple crown. Bernardini, "the immortal" couldn't even show up for the Belmont. Had to rest up for his battles with the great Ministers Bid, Bluegrass Cat, and that monster Wanderin Boy.

A mare like Ouija Board is an immortal, not some horse that raced a few times in one season.

Cannon Shell · #5 11-08-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution

Go ahead, list the immortals. There are about 20 of them and Bernardini could have won by 20 and he wasn't going to be one. These writers that hype things lose touch with reality. Bernardini beat a bunch of garbage all year and then one win was going to make him an immortal. Great. Heck, Funny Cide has more of a claim than a horse like Bernardini. Atleast he raced in the Belmont and had a chance at a triple crown. Bernardini, "the immortal" couldn't even show up for the Belmont. Had to rest up for his battles with the great Ministers Bid, Bluegrass Cat, and that monster Wanderin Boy.

A mare like Ouija Board is an immortal, not some horse that raced a few times in one season.

Finally a post from you that makes some sense and doesn't go T.O on anybody!!

pmayjr · #6 11-08-2006, 07:41 PM

With all that's been said- good or bad about Denman or Durkin:

Durkin was made to call these big races. My biggest beef isn't the calls Danman missed. It's just that Durkin knows how to capture those moments better than any other race caller hands down. I'd be tempted to even let Vic Stauffer call the races over Denman. I think in the end, it's about accuracy in calling the race and balancing that with a good amount of enthusiasm. I don't think anyone captures that balance better than Durkin.

Pointg5 · #7 11-08-2006, 07:46 PM

Maybe it's my years of learning to tune out Battaglia, but I really could care less who's announcing during a race, I am too busy trying to watch the dynamics of the race...I liked the ESPN telecast, but those blimp shots messed me up, you couldn't tell where they were on the course...I heard some didn't like seeing the post parade, that's another thing I don't really care about...

Cajungator26 · #8 11-08-2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Maybe it's my years of learning to tune out Battaglia, but I really could care less who's announcing during a race, I am too busy trying to watch the dynamics of the race...I liked the ESPN telecast, but those blimp shots messed me up, you couldn't tell where they were on the course...I heard some didn't like seeing the post parade, that's another thing I don't really care about...

To me, the post parade is the most important thing...

I can tell a lot about how a horse is doing by looking at them in the post parade.

GPK · #9 11-08-2006, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

To me, the post parade is the most important thing...

I can tell a lot about how a horse is doing by looking at them in the post parade.

one of the best I know....hands down.

Pointg5 · #10 11-08-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

To me, the post parade is the most important thing...

I can tell a lot about how a horse is doing by looking at them in the post parade.

I know some want to see it, but I don't think it's a big deal, Baffert said they had to pour a bucket of water on Silver Charm before the Dubai World Cup, because he looked like he wanted to fall asleep...

Pointg5 · #11 11-08-2006, 07:54 PM

Also, these are racehorse, not show horses, it doesn't matter what they look like as long as they are fast....

Cajungator26 · #12 11-08-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Also, these are racehorse, not show horses, it doesn't matter what they look like as long as they are fast....

I just don't agree. When a horse's coat isn't shining, they're washed out, etc, it makes a huge difference in how they perform.

Cajungator26 · #13 11-08-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5

I know some want to see it, but I don't think it's a big deal, Baffert said they had to pour a bucket of water on Silver Charm before the Dubai World Cup, because he looked like he wanted to fall asleep...

HAHA!!! That's great... I didn't know that.

Pointg5 · #14 11-08-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

HAHA!!! That's great... I didn't know that.

You should read the book "Baffert: Dirt Road to the Derby" written by Steve Haskins, it's a good read...