Steve Byk quote of the day

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I will have I have some free time. I can't imagine any seasoned horseplayer would even try to deny this is true.

Steve often mentions the book "Champions", or did in the past. Peruse that for a bit and just look at our top horses' Beyer figures before and after Lasix. I particularly find it interesting to see the jumps on horses coming off of good races, including wins.

You say lasix is a performance enhancer that should be banned because you allege it improves horses performances by lengths, whether the horse is a bleeder or not.

I'm a veterinarian that agrees with the 99.99% of veterinary medical and scientific professionals that lasix is a necessary and good therapeutic medication whose use must be continued for the health and welfare of the race horse, and should not be considered a "performance enhancer".

I am listed on published scientific papers on the effect of lasix in race horses, and I have read the majority, if not all, of scientific information on the effect of lasix in race horses.

I've never read any studies that support your contention, that lasix is a strict performance enhancer. Only studies that contradict it.

So I'm really interested in your "facts", as your contention, unsupported by the veterinary medical community, is 100% of the argument against using this valuable therapeutic medication to help horses.

** The common way for "seasoned horse players" to bet horses is first or second use lasix. There's some interesting scientific data related to that. To bad horse players ignore science

But that doesn't have anything to do with the odd allegation that "lasix is a performance enhancer in all horses that moves horses up lengths".

I'll be interested to see your "proof". Can't wait.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

You say lasix is a performance enhancer that should be banned because you allege it improves horses performances by lengths, whether the horse is a bleeder or not.

I said a few lengths.

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm a veterinarian that agrees with the 99.99% of veterinary medical and scientific professionals that lasix is a necessary and good therapeutic medication whose use must be continued for the health and welfare of the race horse, and should not be considered a "performance enhancer".

I don't really care who you are.

Originally Posted by Riot

I am listed on published scientific papers on the effect of lasix in race horses, and I have read the majority, if not all, of scientific information on the effect of lasix in race horses.

I don't care if you are listed on craigslist.

Originally Posted by Riot

I've never read any studies that support your contention, that lasix is a strict performance enhancer. Only studies that contradict it.

Yes, I'm the first one to ever bring it up. Sure I am. I also never said it was only a performance enhancer.

Originally Posted by Riot

So I'm really interested in your "facts", as your contention, unsupported by the veterinary medical community, is 100% of the argument against using this valuable therapeutic medication to help horses.

** The common way for "seasoned horse players" to bet horses is first or second use lasix. There's some interesting scientific data related to that. To bad horse players ignore science

The medical community has no idea how to measure thoroughbred performance under race conditions, including you. Oh, and it is "too", not "to".

Originally Posted by Riot

But that doesn't have anything to do with the odd allegation that "lasix is a performance enhancer in all horses that moves horses up lengths".

I'll be interested to see your "proof". Can't wait.

I never said all horses. That would be silly.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I said a few lengths.

I don't really care who you are.

I don't care if you are listed on craigslist.

Yes, I'm the first one to ever bring it up. Sure I am. I also never said it was only a performance enhancer.

The medical community has no idea how to measure thoroughbred performance under race conditions, including you. Oh, and it is "too", not "to".

I never said all horses. That would be silly.

You are a member of a very small-in-quantity minority group, with your thoughts on lasix. You and like-minded folks have the responsibility to prove to people your allegations about lasix are true, before the sport gives them any credence.

As I thought. No proof. Thank you.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are a member of a very small-in-quantity minority group, with your thoughts on lasix. You and like-minded folks have the responsibility to prove to people your allegations about lasix are true, before the sport gives them any credence.

As I thought. No proof. Thank you.

Well, I told you I didn't have time today. Small in quantity minority group? You mean like everywhere but North and South America?

I'm not sure why we have to prove anything, but I will. Most horses are given Lasix with no proof of bleeding.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Well, I told you I didn't have time today. Small in quantity minority group? You mean like everywhere but North and South America?

I'm not sure why we have to prove anything, but I will. Most horses are given Lasix with no proof of bleeding.

I'm sorry - how does that prove that lasix is a performance enhancer that moves horses up lengths?

This is the problem: Everybody in American racing is against the use of illegal drugs, illegal performance enhancers. Nobody wants that.

Some in American racing want to also go to zero drugs used on race day, in an attempt to reach that goal.

The trouble is that the veterinary medical community has advised the racing community that eliminating race day lasix isn't in the best interests of the health and welfare of the race horse, and would be a bad thing.

The racing industry response, by some: attack and attempt to disparage and invalidate the professional opinion of the veterinary medical community, and lie about lasix and what it does.

Just because some of the rest of the world uses lasix in training fast works, but not on race day, doesn't mean our horses have to join that group and take a step backwards in equine sports medicine.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm sorry - how does that prove that lasix is a performance enhancer that moves horses up lengths?

I never said it proves anything. I told you that was coming when I had time, but apparently that means I have to check in hourly to keep you up to date.

At least you weren't dumb enough to deny horses are given Lasix with no proof of needing it every day.