Steve Byk quote of the day

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

"Lasix is the bane of American racing"

Way to call out Barry Irwin on his hypocrisy !!!!!

Did you notice the Team Valor wonderhorse from Uruguay in the stake at Monmouth on Sunday makes his US debut with Lasix? More interesting is the fact that according to the DRF the horse was on lasix in Uruguay.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Did you notice the Team Valor wonderhorse from Uruguay in the stake at Monmouth on Sunday makes his US debut with Lasix? More interesting is the fact that according to the DRF the horse was on lasix in Uruguay.

That was the reference..

[cmorioles]

Running without lasix would be pretty silly if your horse is the only one doing it. It is akin to giving the other horses a few lengths head start.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Running without lasix would be pretty silly if your horse is the only one doing it. It is akin to giving the other horses a few lengths head start.

opinion or fact?

running with lasix while saying it's the bane of racing is the height of hypocrisy. zero respect for someone who talks out of both sides of his mouth. if you don't want it out there, and want to take a stand....how can you be taken seriously while still using it? you can't.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Danzig

opinion or fact?

running with lasix while saying it's the bane of racing is the height of hypocrisy. zero respect for someone who talks out of both sides of his mouth. if you don't want it out there, and want to take a stand....how can you be taken seriously while still using it? you can't.

I think it is a fact.

It isn't really hypocrisy. I'm sure there are American League managers that hate the DH, but do you think they are going to bat the pitcher to make the point?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think it is a fact.

Can you provide objective proof that shows your statement that giving lasix, "It is akin to giving the other horses a few lengths head start", to be a "fact", rather than just "opinion"?

Please provide.

Thanks

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Can you provide objective proof that shows your statement that giving lasix, "It is akin to giving the other horses a few lengths head start", to be a "fact", rather than just "opinion"?

Please provide.

Thanks

Yes, I've done so many times. Just compare the speed figures of each horse with and without lasix. Of course you have to go back a ways, because you won't find many now that don't debut without an injection. It is fact, but you can do the work as easily as I can, I'm not doing it for you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think it is a fact.

It isn't really hypocrisy. I'm sure there are American League managers that hate the DH, but do you think they are going to bat the pitcher to make the point?

and i think it's an opinion. sorry. i've seen too many say it doesn't enhance to think otherwise. and you'll counter that you've seen others say it does-as have i. which is why it's still debated.

however, when you've got a big-time owner trying to make a change, not just play, i think it is absolutely hypocrisy. using your analogy, if american league team owners wanted rid of the dh, then yes, it would be wrong to continue following that rule. the best argument is proof that it isn't needed, and that you show that by not using it.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Danzig

however, when you've got a big-time owner trying to make a change, not just play, i think it is absolutely hypocrisy. using your analogy, if american league team owners wanted rid of the dh, then yes, it would be wrong to continue following that rule. the best argument is proof that it isn't needed, and that you show that by not using it.

That is ridiculous. You would put yourself at a competitive disadvantage and lose more often. You follow the rules in place and lobby to have them changed.

Here is another. The Mavericks owner was against the Thunder being allowed to move from Seattle. Should he have forfeited all games against them to prove his point? I'm sure the team's fans would have loved that in the Western Conference finals a few years ago.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Running without lasix would be pretty silly if your horse is the only one doing it. It is akin to giving the other horses a few lengths head start.

Especially when they have been running on lasix in a foreign jurisdiction

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Especially when they have been running on lasix in a foreign jurisdiction

I thought you didn't care what they did in other countries.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I thought you didn't care what they did in other countries.

I don't. Just saw some irony.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I don't. Just saw some irony.

Me too.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Especially when they have been running on lasix in a foreign jurisdiction

I don't know how liberal the use is there. If it is like here, the same thing still applies.

[ellpol]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Did you notice the Team Valor wonderhorse from Uruguay in the stake at Monmouth on Sunday makes his US debut with Lasix? More interesting is the fact that according to the DRF the horse was on lasix in Uruguay.

He ran like crap

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by ellpol

He ran like crap

Yea, he blew his race on the track before the start. This is one horse Motion may need to ship into the track he's going to race at a few days earlier..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Yea, he blew his race on the track before the start. This is one horse Motion may need to ship into the track he's going to race at a few days earlier..

He was fine saddling and in the paddock. I think it might be more of a case of a horse running in one turn races while outside horses (probably pretty slow ones) suddenly being stuck in behind horses in a 2 turn race. All his races in S. America were 1 turn races.

Or he just isnt very good

[Fearless Leader]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He was fine saddling and in the paddock. I think it might be more of a case of a horse running in one turn races while outside horses (probably pretty slow ones) suddenly being stuck in behind horses in a 2 turn race. All his races in S. America were 1 turn races.

Or he just isnt very good

He needs some more raceday medication. Those Uruguayan trainers are well known juicers.