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Old 11-07-2006, 02:40 PM
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:09 PM
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Yes, Trev did blow the call on Street Sense and on Pine Island. That being said I do enjoy his race calls. I like the fact that he often calls our attention to the color of the jockey's silks, cap or the horses saddlecloth as a means of identifying horses. Very helpful in big fields. Still, being a NY bred, Durkin is still my fave.
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:28 PM
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Yes, Trev did blow the call on Street Sense and on Pine Island. That being said I do enjoy his race calls. I like the fact that he often calls our attention to the color of the jockey's silks, cap or the horses saddlecloth as a means of identifying horses. Very helpful in big fields. Still, being a NY bred, Durkin is still my fave.
He stinks. Hows that for an analysis of his calls?
He gets away with a lot of that bull**** out in Cali with the small fields. Doesn't have to go back through the field too many times and can use all his superlatives and adjectives.
Different story when you actually have to describe the scene with 14 horses and go back and call all their names, harder to use those worn out exhausted old cliches that he specializes in, and God forbid he give the fractions, that would take away from his schtick.
Hes the most overrated caller in the history of the sport. All style, no substance.
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:43 PM
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Yes, Trev did blow the call on Street Sense and on Pine Island. That being said I do enjoy his race calls. I like the fact that he often calls our attention to the color of the jockey's silks, cap or the horses saddlecloth as a means of identifying horses. Very helpful in big fields. Still, being a NY bred, Durkin is still my fave.
Also failed to include Premium Tap as third in the Classic...
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:47 PM
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Also failed to include Premium Tap as third in the Classic...
He was way too busy looking in his superlatives handbook to bother with something so trivial as getting who was 3rd in a 5 million dollar race out there. I truly believe he sounded disappointed and rattled when Bern got beat. I think he had scripted a version of some ranting he was going to make "when Bern won" and hadn't considered the alternative. I think thats why he stammered, stuttered, and struggled.
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:47 PM
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He was way too busy looking in his superlatives handbook to bother with something so trivial as getting who was 3rd in a 5 million dollar race out there. I truly believe he sounded disappointed and rattled when Bern got beat. I think he had scripted a version of some ranting he was going to make "when Bern won" and hadn't considered the alternative. I think thats why he stammered, stuttered, and struggled.
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:51 PM
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He was way too busy looking in his superlatives handbook to bother with something so trivial as getting who was 3rd in a 5 million dollar race out there. I truly believe he sounded disappointed and rattled when Bern got beat. I think he had scripted a version of some ranting he was going to make "when Bern won" and hadn't considered the alternative. I think thats why he stammered, stuttered, and struggled.
Mike..

Haskin said the EXACT same thing Sunday.. that Denman had so rehersed his Bernardini down the stretch call, that he was utterly unprepared for an alternative result.. And then had little emotion to offer a call that will be heard for a long time...
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Old 11-08-2006, 05:54 PM
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Mike..

Haskin said the EXACT same thing Sunday.. that Denman had so rehersed his Bernardini down the stretch call, that he was utterly unprepared for an alternative result.. And then had little emotion to offer a call that will be heard for a long time...
Haskin also said a win by Bernardini would have him join the immortals or racing. These guys are supposed to be the great writers of the sport but are nothing more than cheerleaders, clueless ones at that.
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:00 PM
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Calling Breeder's Cup races with fields of 14 is slightly different than calling 6 horse Del Mar races. His calls also lacked the excitement of Durkin's calls.
Not too many six-horse fields at Del Mar. If you'd have said Hollywood Park I'd have readily agreed.

And I still don't get why everyone is all over Trevor. Aside from a couple of goofs I think he did a pretty good job overall.
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:01 PM
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Also failed to include Premium Tap as third in the Classic...
I wasn't very impressed with his call when they left the starting gate either.

"There's the roar from the Churchill Downs croud as the Breeders Cup Classic field set on their way..."

Nah...
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:03 PM
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Not too many six-horse fields at Del Mar. If you'd have said Hollywood Park I'd have readily agreed.

And I still don't get why everyone is all over Trevor. Aside from a couple of goofs I think he did a pretty good job overall.

They are all over him because they are biased New Yorkers. Didn't you know if people from New York aren't doing it, then it is no good? LOL.

Maybe their guy could call it if they actually had the races at Belmont. Oh, they can't because NYRA is bankrupt. Electricity might go out. LOL.

I thought Trevor was great. Especially when my selection Invasor won.
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:04 PM
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Well, that makes two of us....I didn't think Bernardini woul lose either

Seriously, if this is true about Trevor it would disappoint me...I don't respect any announcer who preconcieves sayings and such on races that haven't run yet....I don't mind him handicapping and thinking Bernie is going to kick on, but when you realize he is not then you have to call the race fairly andf like you never thought of the outcome beforehand..

Hell, I knew Bernardini was beat when I saw Javier have to scrub on him pretty good going into the far turn because I know the horse well enough to understand that he had never had to be asked that hard to move to the lead in the past - and that he was not going to run his race Saturday.....Trevor should have realized that too....

I always hate the premeditated calls....tghey are easy to tell too because they are always cheesy and obvious.....

For example, the "Cowabunga Dude" call when Surf Cat won earlier this year was ridiculously lame IMO......
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:23 PM
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Who said you had to be in the top 50 horses to be an immortal?.

Go ahead, list the immortals. There are about 20 of them and Bernardini could have won by 20 and he wasn't going to be one. These writers that hype things lose touch with reality. Bernardini beat a bunch of garbage all year and then one win was going to make him an immortal. Great. Heck, Funny Cide has more of a claim than a horse like Bernardini. Atleast he raced in the Belmont and had a chance at a triple crown. Bernardini, "the immortal" couldn't even show up for the Belmont. Had to rest up for his battles with the great Ministers Bid, Bluegrass Cat, and that monster Wanderin Boy.

A mare like Ouija Board is an immortal, not some horse that raced a few times in one season.

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Old 11-08-2006, 06:27 PM
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Go ahead, list the immortals. There are about 20 of them and Bernardini could have won by 20 and he wasn't going to be one. These writers that hype things lose touch with reality. Bernardini beat a bunch of garbage all year and then one win was going to make him an immortal. Great. Heck, Funny Cide has more of a claim than a horse like Bernardini. Atleast he raced in the Belmont and had a chance at a triple crown. Bernardini, "the immortal" couldn't even show up for the Belmont. Had to rest up for his battles with the great Ministers Bid, Bluegrass Cat, and that monster Wanderin Boy.

A mare like Ouija Board is an immortal, not some horse that raced a few times in one season.
Finally a post from you that makes some sense and doesn't go T.O on anybody!!
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:29 PM
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He could have won by 10 lengths and he would not be an immortal.

Here is Haskin

"As Bernardini stormed past the leaders in the Breeders' Cup Classic - Powered by Dodge (gr. I), only the long Churchill Downs stretch stood between him and immortality."

Who is he kidding? A Preakness, Travers and BCC would make him an immortal? Who paid him to write that one? Was that for the Darley catalog? He could have won the race and he still would never enter the top 50 horses of all-time.
Well, I don't know about you but going into the Big Dance I know that all kinds of people crowned him the second coming of Secretariat, Seattle Slew, etc. Me? Notsomuch and I don't agree with that pre-Breeders' Cup assesment whatsoever. But LOTS of people dubbed him virtually immortal and predicted he'd be one of the all-time greats. Had he won, I have little doubt at how many people would be posting "Bernardini the Great" threads!

I think Haskin was simply playing on pre-Breeders' Cup public opinion, whether we agree or not. He's all over these boards, reading and soaking up what people think.

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Old 11-08-2006, 06:41 PM
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With all that's been said- good or bad about Denman or Durkin:

Durkin was made to call these big races. My biggest beef isn't the calls Danman missed. It's just that Durkin knows how to capture those moments better than any other race caller hands down. I'd be tempted to even let Vic Stauffer call the races over Denman. I think in the end, it's about accuracy in calling the race and balancing that with a good amount of enthusiasm. I don't think anyone captures that balance better than Durkin.
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:46 PM
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Maybe it's my years of learning to tune out Battaglia, but I really could care less who's announcing during a race, I am too busy trying to watch the dynamics of the race...I liked the ESPN telecast, but those blimp shots messed me up, you couldn't tell where they were on the course...I heard some didn't like seeing the post parade, that's another thing I don't really care about...
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Maybe it's my years of learning to tune out Battaglia, but I really could care less who's announcing during a race, I am too busy trying to watch the dynamics of the race...I liked the ESPN telecast, but those blimp shots messed me up, you couldn't tell where they were on the course...I heard some didn't like seeing the post parade, that's another thing I don't really care about...
To me, the post parade is the most important thing...

I can tell a lot about how a horse is doing by looking at them in the post parade.
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Old 11-08-2006, 06:52 PM
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To me, the post parade is the most important thing...

I can tell a lot about how a horse is doing by looking at them in the post parade.


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To me, the post parade is the most important thing...

I can tell a lot about how a horse is doing by looking at them in the post parade.
I know some want to see it, but I don't think it's a big deal, Baffert said they had to pour a bucket of water on Silver Charm before the Dubai World Cup, because he looked like he wanted to fall asleep...
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