The Breaking Romney Story

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by geeker2

wrong

You know, if some people who hang around this message board would be more concerned about hitting a pk3 or hammering an exacta box instead of worrying about what all the crooked politicians are doing, we would all be better off. Not accusing anyone in particular, this is just a general statement

[Riot]

If people with the responsibility to choose those who govern them would worry more about the people they are choosing, we wouldn't have so many crooked politicians

And with better politicians, possible the takeout on that Pick Four could be less

"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government."

[geeker2]

wrong

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by Riot

If people with the responsibility to choose those who govern them would worry more about the people they are choosing, we wouldn't have so many crooked politicians

And with better politicians, possible the takeout on that Pick Four could be less

"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government."

While you could interpret that I am conservative or aligned with that way of thinking, I can assure you I am unimpressed with anything political on either side of the aisle. Somehow, someway, political reform will happen in the near future. It would be great if we could send all of these snake-oil salesmen/women politicians to Antarctica and start over.

As for those pk4 takeout rates......well.......you have to win every once in a while to be affected.

[bigrun]

Filings may conflict with Romney claims.

Federal documents filed by Mitt Romney's former company appear to conflict with the Republican presidential candidate's statements about when he left Bain Capital, the private-equity firm central to his legacy in the private sector.

In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission in February 2001, Bain Capital listed Romney as the company's "sole shareholder, sole director, chief executive officer and president." It said Romney's "principal occupation" was as Bain's managing director.

Romney's campaign repeatedly has said Romney had virtually nothing to do with the company's operations after February 1999, when he began work on the troubled 2002 Winter Olympics.

For example, in late 1999, Bain-controlled Steam International set up overseas call centers, and a subsidiary moved jobs from California to Mexico. In 2000, the Ampad company declared bankruptcy. The next year, so did steel-maker GS Industries, just as Bain made $58.4 million from its investment.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/2...ms-ar-2053474/

[Danzig]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/op...=1&ref=opinion

'The first thing you need to know is that America wasn’t always like this. When John F. Kennedy was elected president, the top 0.01 percent was only about a quarter as rich compared with the typical family as it is now — and members of that class paid much higher taxes than they do today. Yet somehow we managed to have a dynamic, innovative economy that was the envy of the world. The superrich may imagine that their wealth makes the world go round, but history says otherwise.

To this historical observation we should add another note: quite a few of today’s superrich, Mr. Romney included, make or made their money in the financial sector, buying and selling assets rather than building businesses in the old-fashioned sense. Indeed, the soaring share of the wealthy in national income went hand in hand with the explosive growth of Wall Street.'

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/op...=1&ref=opinion

'The first thing you need to know is that America wasn’t always like this. When John F. Kennedy was elected president, the top 0.01 percent was only about a quarter as rich compared with the typical family as it is now — and members of that class paid much higher taxes than they do today. Yet somehow we managed to have a dynamic, innovative economy that was the envy of the world. The superrich may imagine that their wealth makes the world go round, but history says otherwise.

To this historical observation we should add another note: quite a few of today’s superrich, Mr. Romney included, make or made their money in the financial sector, buying and selling assets rather than building businesses in the old-fashioned sense. Indeed, the soaring share of the wealthy in national income went hand in hand with the explosive growth of Wall Street.'

Krugman is liberal scumbag, everyone knows that...

O.K., it’s easy to mock these people, but the joke’s really on us. For the “we are V.I.P.” crowd has fully captured the modern Republican Party, to such an extent that leading Republicans consider Mr. Romney’s apparent use of multimillion-dollar offshore accounts to dodge federal taxes not just acceptable but praiseworthy: “It’s really American to avoid paying taxes, legally,” declared Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina.and half a sissy And there is, of course, a good chance that Republicans will control both Congress and the White House next year.

[Riot]

Romney camp announces Romney will give individual interviews to every major television station ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and FOX this afternoon, to try and explain this current ... situation ... of being caught in multiple lies.

Romney has never done this before (he is press-adverse to non-FOX press). Interviews are supposed to be televised on evening newscasts.

Intrade has Romney 14% that he'll plead the 5th at some point.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Krugman is liberal scumbag, everyone knows that...

yeah, i can't believe graham said it's american to avoid paying taxes. what bs. and i'm not happy that romney says he will try to undo the bank regs if he gets in. the softening of regulations is what lead us to the bank bubble..when it burst, it took insurance companies, banks, auto and housing all down with it. so many affected because of rampant speculation and trades run wild.
and look at jp morgan, the news from them keeps getting worse. absolutely ridiculous.
i also donl't like romney espousing building up defense, and the budget that would grow with it. it's already too big.




'... it turned out that modern finance was laying the foundation for a severe economic crisis whose fallout continues to afflict millions of Americans, and that taxpayers had to bail out many of those supposedly brilliant bankers to prevent an even worse crisis. So at least some members of the top 0.01 percent are best viewed as job destroyers rather than job creators.

Did I mention that those bailed-out bankers are now overwhelmingly backing Mr. Romney, who promises to reverse the mild financial reforms introduced after the crisis?

To be sure, many and probably most of the rich do, in fact, contribute positively to the economy. However, they also receive large monetary rewards. Yet somehow $20 million-plus in annual income isn’t enough. They want to be revered, too, and given special treatment in the form of low taxes. And that is more than they deserve. After all, the “common person” also makes a positive contribution to the economy. Why single out the rich for extra praise and perks?

What about the argument that we must keep taxes on the rich low lest we remove their incentive to create wealth? The answer is that we have a lot of historical evidence, going all the way back to the 1920s, on the effects of tax increases on the rich, and none of it supports the view that the kinds of tax-rate changes for the rich currently on the table — President Obama’s proposal for a modest rise, Mr. Romney’s call for further cuts — would have any major effect on incentives. Remember when all the usual suspects claimed that the economy would crash when Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993?'

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

... I can assure you I am unimpressed with anything political on either side of the aisle. Somehow, someway, political reform will happen in the near future.

It's called being a voter In between Tweeting, mowing the grass, raising the kids, and grocery shopping, we are responsible for governing our own democratic destiny.

It would be great if we could send all of these snake-oil salesmen/women politicians to Antarctica and start over.

We get a chance to start over constantly. Every year. Few eligible Americans vote. Fewer yet bother to even learn basics about a candidate.

Florida, the land of seniors, elected as governor the man who ran the company that was found guilty of the largest $$ Medicare fraud in history, and who campaigned on getting rid of their Medicare.

Hello? Florida voters? Hello?

As for those pk4 takeout rates......well.......you have to win every once in a while to be affected:

LOL - Well, we agree on that, certainly

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's called being a voter In between Tweeting, mowing the grass, raising the kids, and grocery shopping, we are responsible for governing our own democratic destiny.



We get a chance to start over constantly. Every year. Few eligible Americans vote. Fewer yet bother to even learn basics about a candidate.

Florida, the land of seniors, elected as governor the man who ran the company that was found guilty of the largest $$ Medicare fraud in history, and who campaigned on getting rid of their Medicare.

Hello? Florida voters? Hello?



LOL - Well, we agree on that, certainly

Those old folks down there don't have puters, send your post to AARP and have them publish it in their mag...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Those old folks down there don't have puters, send your post to AARP and have them publish it in their mag...

OMG, I have tons of retired, ultra-conservative family on Marco and in Naples ... they all watch Faux News and are so misinformed as to reality it's appalling.

Yes, they believe Obama is an evil Kenyan socialist without a birth certificate who has raised their taxes and created death panels with Obamacare.

I asked one if they'd noticed their Medicare Rx costs go down this year - said yes. I said, "due to Obamacare and donut hole provision adjustments" They denied it could be possible that was the reason. What can you do?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

OMG, I have tons of retired, ultra-conservative family on Marco and in Naples ... they all watch Faux News and are so misinformed as to reality it's appalling.

Yes, they believe Obama is an evil Kenyan socialist without a birth certificate who has raised their taxes and created death panels with Obamacare.

I asked one if they'd noticed their Medicare Rx costs go down this year - said yes. I said, "due to Obamacare and donut hole provision adjustments" They denied it could be possible that was the reason. What can you do?

You could show them proof, in writing from within the law as written. Always (almost always) works for me when making a point.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

OMG, I have tons of retired, ultra-conservative family on Marco and in Naples ... they all watch Faux News and are so misinformed as to reality it's appalling.

Yes, they believe Obama is an evil Kenyan socialist without a birth certificate who has raised their taxes and created death panels with Obamacare.

I asked one if they'd noticed their Medicare Rx costs go down this year - said yes. I said, "due to Obamacare and donut hole provision adjustments" They denied it could be possible that was the reason. What can you do?

My sis in PA is one of them!...watches Fox and thinks Obama slipped into the country from Haiti after a Kenyan vessel dropped him here..

And my best friend's wife told me 4 years ago, 'you know Obama's a Muslem'..

Both still have the same attitude only maybe slightly worse...