Coolmore fees for new stallions

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Honestly, before I had read this thread I had no idea he was being retired. I guess part of it is because Bernie and Henny hughes seemed to be in a completely different league as Aussie Rules.

They actually announced it before the BC. I just saw the $15,000 though. Why would you retire a sound 3yo for a $15,000 stud fee?

Beats the **** out of me. I don't know why you would retire a sound horse who is that good period. Especially if money is no obstacle. Take a page from Greg Gilchrist and Art Sherman, they didn't sell because Fog was a once in a lifetime horse.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No idea. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, and you are right, Coolmore is guilty of it as well. Honestly, the breeding business is hurting the racing business. There is just so much money to be made in the breeding shed, but homestly it's not like the Shieks, or Coolmore are in need of more money, so it baffles me.

Though I agree that the bloodstock business is choking off the racing business, I think that you have to seperate Coolmore and the arabs. Coolmore is strictly a business whereas Shiekh Mo and the boys have a rather large hobby

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Though I agree that the bloodstock business is choking off the racing business, I think that you have to seperate Coolmore and the arabs. Coolmore is strictly a business whereas Shiekh Mo and the boys have a rather large hobby

I agree about the Shieks's treating things as a hobby. At least, some of their actions support it. But, I can't, as a racing fan, imagine retiring 2 of the best 3 y/o in the country to stud. They have very litle (repsectably speaking) to loose, and the world to win.

But why?
They don't need the money, and why not race the few great horses you have? It boggles the mind.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by QUANROSS

But why?
They don't need the money, and why not race the few great horses you have? It boggles the mind.

Looking over the coolmore stallion roster it does seem that Aussie Rules would not really be missed too much if they ran him another year.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah I guess. Do you really think the Shieks aren't in it for the business part as well? I mean what other explanation is there for retiring Bernie AND Henny? At least Coolmore brought Hurricane Run back for another year.

They are in it for the ego part. They have failed miserably in producing an American stallion base and they now feel that they have 2 big pieces of the puzzle. Look up the stallions that they are currently standing in America Gainesborough/Shadwell/Darley and compare them with their chief rival Coolmores American stallion division.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They are in it for the ego part. They have failed miserably in producing an American stallion base and they now feel that they have 2 big pieces of the puzzle. Look up the stallions that they are currently standing in America Gainesborough/Shadwell/Darley and compare them with their chief rival Coolmores American stallion division.

Totally agree...this is about cementing Darley @ Jonabell as a superior Stud farm in KY. They just completed renovations on the farm last year and now need a marquis stallion (or 2) to draw interest...They are running their operation as a business only to furthur the goal of being the biggest/most influential/most sought after (add your own phrase) lineup of stallions in the bluegrass.

[Danzig]

why is giants causway private? usually when i see a horse go private, they're much older, having health or fertility problems and such. is this a way to deal on a mare by mare basis? what is the benefit(s) of having a horse like this guy go private?
also, do stud fees ever actively pursue a mare, or do they just accept or reject what comes their way?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

why is giants causway private? usually when i see a horse go private, they're much older, having health or fertility problems and such. is this a way to deal on a mare by mare basis? what is the benefit(s) of having a horse like this guy go private?
also, do stud fees ever actively pursue a mare, or do they just accept or reject what comes their way?

From what I've read I think it means they dropped his fee but don't want to publicize that so made it private instead.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

why is giants causway private? usually when i see a horse go private, they're much older, having health or fertility problems and such. is this a way to deal on a mare by mare basis? what is the benefit(s) of having a horse like this guy go private?
also, do stud fees ever actively pursue a mare, or do they just accept or reject what comes their way?

I know of some instances whree farms have approached a mare owner (that they have had other previous dealings with) and offered them a very reduced rate on a top stallion that the fasrm owned shares in (the stud was not on said farm) with the deal being that that mare would go to one of their other studs (on the farm) the following year. i don't know how often this sort of thing goes on but i would expect it is not all that uncommon.

I agree that Aussie Rules should continue running. I think he can pick up a few more major wins, especially in the US. But with that said, out of all the retiring stallions, his pedigree is head and shoulders above the rest. His family is probably the best family in Europe. They're produced top stallions, top producers, and multiple classic winners all tracing back to major bluehen Mumtaz Mahal.