Black Caviar at Royal Ascot Saturday AM

[pmayjr]

Also, we need to lighten up on the jock, because Nolen nose best.

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Also, we need to lighten up on the jock, because Nolen nose best.

I agree. What's happened is TVG and the ginger clown they hired for the show jumped immediately on Nolan for the ride.

Pure emotional response and it's valid at the time but now it's time to reflect. She didn't look all there today and still won.

Interview with Luke Nolen on TVG coming up...either that or he left a pint with Simon.

[Riot]

Caviar! Oh, I love this great race mare! Thanks, Team Caviar!

Nolen admits immediately he underestimated track, made a mistake. Sez don't emphasize his "brain fart". Moody says "you only have to win by 1/4 inch".

I know Nelly has had chest muscle tears in the past from a start she bad, but her right front suspensory has been a problem in her career for some time now (required time off already). Hope it's alright, so they will continue to race her through the end of the season, not send her to mommy-hood yet!

But whatever happens, this great mare has nothing to prove. Bravo, Black Caviar! And Luke Nolen, and Peter Moody!

PS, here's yet another video I found, official feed http://www.joe.ie/sports/horse-racin...scot-0026205-1

[Indian Charlie]

Nolen said afterward he’d underestimated the testing nature of the Ascot turf, which was laboring and slow-playing Saturday, assuming that Black Caviar had done enough to win.

That was from DRF.


From me:
"It's nice to know that the maximum IQ requirement to be a jockey is recognized internationally instead of just in the USA and Italy".

I can think of maybe only two or three jockeys ever who were clever enough to fool jockey regulators into thinking they were stupid enough to be permitted to ride horses for a living.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Nolen said afterward he’d underestimated the testing nature of the Ascot turf, which was laboring and slow-playing Saturday, assuming that Black Caviar had done enough to win.

He admits he lightened up too early, but he gets credit for not basking in glory before the line, and keeping his eyes open for that fast closer - he got his horse back in work three strides and won. He's a good jock.

Handicap older horses - you don't want to win by any more than the minimum it takes, or you'll carry weight next time. Hard for me to get used to, seeing them back off before line and pose as soon as the race is run. Not often done in America. Anyway, Nolen did a good job, won the race on a great mare.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

He admits he lightened up too early, but he gets credit for not basking in glory before the line, and keeping his eyes open for that fast closer - he got his horse back in work three strides and won. He's a good jock.

Handicap older horses - you don't want to win by any more than the minimum it takes, or you'll carry weight next time. Hard for me to get used to, seeing them back off before line and pose as soon as the race is run. Not often done in America. Anyway, Nolen did a good job, won the race on a great mare.

At what point in the race exactly did she look free and clear?

I musta missed that.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I agree. What's happened is TVG and the ginger clown they hired for the show jumped immediately on Nolan for the ride.

Pure emotional response and it's valid at the time but now it's time to reflect. She didn't look all there today and still won.

the track announcer said as much during the call of the race.. don't blame tvg for that one

[Calzone Lord]

It was certainly not a good performance for Black Caviar relative to her reputation -- and though the rider misjudged the finish -- he never pulled her up and merely stopped riding for a split second. Might have cost her a half length absolute tops.

The final time for the race was 1:14.10 for six furlongs. You could have thrown a blanket over many of them at the finish.

In the very next race, a useful handicap horse named Dandy Boy won a 29 runner event clear by 1.25 lengths in 1:13.87

Perhaps Dandy Boy just loves sprinting at Ascot -- he's 2-for-2 and won a 29-runner event there in 2010. Dandy Boy has now beaten all 56 horses he's faced sprinting on that course and just posted a time faster than Group 1 sprinters on the same day, distance, and only 35 minutes apart time wise.

Black Caviar had to deal with some international travel and a whole new climate. She didn't get the best of rides and she's getting up in age. It was a great win for her resume but not a performance consistent with that of an elite turf sprinter.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

It was certainly not a good performance for Black Caviar relative to her reputation -- and though the rider misjudged the finish -- he never pulled her up and merely stopped riding for a split second. Might have cost her a half length absolute tops.

The final time for the race was 1:14.10 for six furlongs. You could have thrown a blanket over many of them at the finish.

In the very next race, a useful handicap horse named Dandy Boy won a 29 runner event clear by 1.25 lengths in 1:13.87

Perhaps Dandy Boy just loves sprinting at Ascot -- he's 2-for-2 and won a 29-runner event there in 2010. Dandy Boy has now beaten all 56 horses he's faced sprinting on that course and just posted a time faster than Group 1 sprinters on the same day, distance, and only 35 minutes apart time wise.

Black Caviar had to deal with some international travel and a whole new climate. She didn't get the best of rides and she's getting up in age. It was a great win for her resume but not a performance consistent with that of an elite turf sprinter.

She ain't gonna know what hit her when Ben's Cat or Chamberlain Ridge goes Euro.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by cakes44

She ain't gonna know what hit her when Ben's Cat or Chamberlain Ridge goes Euro.

Here is the history of the recent editions of the Diamond Jubilee.

2011: A pair of 25-to-1 shots finished 1st and 2nd.

2010: 50-to-1 shot 2nd.

2009: 20-to-1 winner, Cannonball 2nd for Wesley Ward, 33-to-1 third.

2008: 33-to-1 winner

2007: 9-to-1 winner

2006: 33-to-1 winner by a neck over 50-to-1 second place.

Euro turf horse are more and more superior to our turf horses as the further distances increase.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure their sprinters might be a little better than our turf sprinters ... but we have the fastest horses in the world and if all our good dirt sprinters and milers were tried on turf I think we'd probably have the worlds top turf sprinter on most years.

We have the fast horses here and we have the dirt horses here. When you start talking about turf racing distances of 12 furlongs, 14 furlongs, 16 furlongs... they completely own us. Even at a mile and 10 furlongs they have us.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Here is the history of the recent editions of the Diamond Jubilee.

2011: A pair of 25-to-1 shots finished 1st and 2nd.

2010: 50-to-1 shot 2nd.

2009: 20-to-1 winner, Cannonball 2nd for Wesley Ward, 33-to-1 third.

2008: 33-to-1 winner

2007: 9-to-1 winner

2006: 33-to-1 winner by a neck over 50-to-1 second place.

Euro turf horse are more and more superior to our turf horses as the further distances increase.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure their sprinters might be a little better than our turf sprinters ... but we have the fastest horses in the world and if all our good dirt sprinters and milers were tried on turf I think we'd probably have the worlds top turf sprinter on most years.

We have the fast horses here and we have the dirt horses here. When you start talking about turf racing distances of 12 furlongs, 14 furlongs, 16 furlongs... they completely own us. Even at a mile and 10 furlongs they have us.

Yes, our horses are faster here. By the same token, I have a hard time seeing too many of the US animals having a ton of success sprinting on the courses over the pond.

[outofthebox]

Did anyone notice on the coverage when Black Caviar came back to her handlers. Trainer Moody was conversing with the jock then the jock took Black Caviar off for a little jog, turned around and jogged back to the trainer. He could have been parading her in front of the crowd, don't know for sure. But she wasn't jogging so smooth..Hope she's ok...

[pmayjr]

http://youtu.be/cVn9Ss0x0vU
Comments from Moody and Nolen.

Moody says she'll be prepared for the spring racing carnival in Melbourne. November is enough months away for Moody to consider a detour if the $$$$ was right. I just think it'd be awesome to see her run down the hill. I wouldn't care nearly as much if it were on one of the normal turf courses where the average springt distance is 5-6f, but since it is at Santa Anita, she can go down the hill on that firm turf... Maybe she gets smoked, but it would be so cool to see.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

Did anyone notice on the coverage when Black Caviar came back to her handlers. Trainer Moody was conversing with the jock then the jock took Black Caviar off for a little jog, turned around and jogged back to the trainer. He could have been parading her in front of the crowd, don't know for sure. But she wasn't jogging so smooth..Hope she's ok...

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/...-1226406958515

Good eye.

Probably explains why the ungraded stakes race at the same distance went faster in the next race. Her competition was the only thing that saved her yesterday.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

the track announcer said as much during the call of the race.. don't blame tvg for that one

i was beginning to feel that it was a zenyatta re-run. the tvg announcers seemed to name her more often than the actual star of yesterday, black caviar.

[Riot]

Black Caviar's injury during the race - not the suspensory. She's torn her chest muscles before. Good reason for her awkward striding, and amazing she won. Nolen did a good job trying to protect her. May cause her to retire:

http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing...cot-win-062412

The 6-year-old Black Caviar's mere presence created a real buzz at Ascot meeting, but the Australian horse tore back muscles during her victory in the Diamond Jubilee Stakes, which extended her winning streak to 22 races. She is a perfect 22 for 22 in her career.

Black Caviar's owners will make a decision on her future in the next three or four weeks and retirement is an option for the world's second-ranked flat racing horse, who gained a status akin to a national heroine in Australia after her Ascot triumph.

A veterinarian exam revealed two muscle tears and some bleeding in the area, The Australian newspaper reported Sunday.

"She's torn some muscles up high behind (hindquarter) and pulled up very tender," trainer Peter Moody told The Australian. "I'm just so proud of what she did in the circumstances. She's certainly going to enjoy a rest."

[Riot]

Good news! Black Caviar is not retired.

PRELIMINARY scans have isolated Black Caviar's muscle tear to her quadriceps, giving Peter Moody confidence the mighty mare will get the opportunity to extend her unbeaten streak during the Melbourne spring carnival.

Initial fears that injuries sustained during the Diamond Jubilee Stakes could end her career have been dismissed with Moody eyeing the Group 1 Patinack Farm Classic (1200m) on the final day of the Melbourne Cup carnival.

"I have had my vets and chiropractors take some precautionary X-rays of Black Caviar,'' Moody said.

More detail, and race replay, at http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/su...-1226408441258

Now the slow race doesn't look so bad. Actually it looks pretty damned impressive.

Very glad she's coming back. Hats off to Peter Moody and the owners for doing the right thing and keeping a race horse in racing...not breeding.

Take notes, sissy rich Americans.