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[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

So really, Romney should be happy the media cut the tape after "It's amazing!" That just depicts him as being out-of-touch. His whole speech shows him to be a liar.

Does this disqualify him from being President?

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Does this disqualify him from being President?

If so, we'd never have another president...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svLDKpNZmgY

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Who's that whacko, Rush Jr?...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Does this disqualify him from being President?

Romney is a serious serial liar. He doesn't just exaggerate or shade for politics sake - he outright lies. He lies about clear facts. He lies about the truth.

Again: this isn't the "both sides do it" pandering and making oneself look good, or only telling one side of the story. This is deliberate ignoring of apparent and clear fact, and deliberately lying about it to make a better story.

The scary thing is, Romney appears to have no problem at all with lying.

And that has nothing at all to do with President Obama. Or Ron Paul. Or Buddy Roemer.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Romney is a serious serial liar. He doesn't just exaggerate or shade for politics sake - he outright lies. He lies about clear facts. He lies about the truth.

Again: this isn't the "both sides do it" pandering and making oneself look good, or only telling one side of the story. This is deliberate ignoring of apparent and clear fact, and deliberately lying about it to make a better story.

The scary thing is, Romney appears to have no problem at all with lying.

And that has nothing at all to do with President Obama. Or Ron Paul. Or Buddy Roemer.

So just as Obama's economy and $5 trillion in new spending is George W. Bush's fault, MSNBC's willful distortion through editing of Romney's remarks is Romney's fault.

Ooooh Kaaay...???

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Originally Posted by joeydb

So just as Obama's economy and $5 trillion in new spending is George W. Bush's fault, MSNBC's willful distortion through editing of Romney's remarks is Romney's fault.

Ooooh Kaaay...???

Not at all what I said, Joey. What MSNBC did with their editing was wrong, just as when Fox or CNN or anybody else edits falsely to leave a false impression. No, that's not Romney's fault.

I was addressing something else: outside of the MSNBC incident, having nothing to do with it, Genuine Risk pointed out something else that has been noted this campaign by multiple observers: Romney has a known and observed problem with lying. He says things that are not just political, or exaggeration, or making one side look good. He lies about readily apparent facts. Deliberately, repeatedly.

BTW, "Obama's economy" has had 28 straight months of job growth, GDP growth, unemployment drop, Wall Street record gains. Yeah - Bush spent us from surplus into massive deficit.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not at all what I said, Joey. What MSNBC did with their editing was wrong, just as when Fox or CNN or anybody else edits falsely to leave a false impression. No, that's not Romney's fault.

I was addressing something else: outside of the MSNBC incident, having nothing to do with it, Genuine Risk pointed out something else that has been noted this campaign by multiple observers: Romney has a known and observed problem with lying. He says things that are not just political, or exaggeration, or making one side look good. He lies about readily apparent facts. Deliberately, repeatedly.

BTW, "Obama's economy" has had 28 straight months of job growth, GDP growth, unemployment drop, Wall Street record gains. Yeah - Bush spent us from surplus into massive deficit.

It's impossible to have 28 straight months of "job growth" and have more people out of work! The unemployment figure, despite the cooking of the books, is WORSE, not better. All the parrotting of that line will not change that fact. There have been millions of jobs lost, NET.

It gets even worse when you calculate the number of people actually not working, as opposed to recently unemployed. When the person hits their 25th month without a job, they magically fall off the records and statistics.

It's not all Bush's fault. This guy added 5 trillion in new debt. That is more than all the previous presidents, (at least from Clinton back to Washington - not sure about George W.) combined.

The lying is not going to get this guy a second term. He is the worst president we have ever had, including GW Bush, Carter, Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, and Herbert Hoover.

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Originally Posted by joeydb

It's impossible to have 28 straight months of "job growth" and have more people out of work! The unemployment figure, despite the cooking of the books, is WORSE, not better. All the parrotting of that line will not change that fact. There have been millions of jobs lost, NET.

It gets even worse when you calculate the number of people actually not working, as opposed to recently unemployed. When the person hits their 25th month without a job, they magically fall off the records and statistics.

It's not all Bush's fault. This guy added 5 trillion in new debt. That is more than all the previous presidents, (at least from Clinton back to Washington - not sure about George W.) combined.

The lying is not going to get this guy a second term. He is the worst president we have ever had, including GW Bush, Carter, Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, and Herbert Hoover.

the private sector has added jobs 28 straight months. but with the amount of jobs added lagging behind those that have been lost previous, and with new potential employees joining the job search, overall unemployment is still horrible.

it's a nice selling point tho, isn't it? somehow, obama can claim his policies are doing great-look at the numbers...but when numbers aren't worth bragging on, well that's not his fault. good news-obama takes credit...bad news, it's back to being bushes fault. it's a can't lose situation.

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Originally Posted by joeydb

It's impossible to have 28 straight months of "job growth" and have more people out of work! The unemployment figure, despite the cooking of the books, is WORSE, not better. All the parrotting of that line will not change that fact. There have been millions of jobs lost, NET.

Here is a chart that shows both job growth, and unemployment numbers. Note that when Obama took office, the loss was 800,000 jobs for one month under Bush. Yes, Obama has to make up all the jobs Bush lost - then build on that. It's slow, but it's there.

It gets even worse when you calculate the number of people actually not working, as opposed to recently unemployed. When the person hits their 25th month without a job, they magically fall off the records and statistics.

Yes. Everyone is aware of that. Shame the GOP kicked so many off the roles, by stopping benefits, isn't it? Wonder what happened to those folks? Homeless now?

It's not all Bush's fault. This guy added 5 trillion in new debt. That is more than all the previous presidents, (at least from Clinton back to Washington - not sure about George W.) combined.

Nope.

The lying is not going to get this guy a second term.

No. The economic facts will. He's doing the best he can in the face of 100% obstruction - deliberately declared political obstruction, btw - by the opposition party.

He is the worst president we have ever had, including GW Bush, Carter, Nixon, Lyndon Johnson, and Herbert Hoover.

You're certainly entitled to that opinion. I hardly agree, because I don't see any factual evidence for it in the least. I like ending wars, saving the auto industry, reversing a massive recession careening into depression (yes, majority of economists said the stimulus definitely worked), decimating Al Quaeda, defending the rights of women, unions, Hispanics, etc