Ted Haggard

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Ultimatum... what? How many times did we go around and around with them about inspections all thru the late 1990's. Its so easy to forget. Ultimatum after how many warnings? For God's sake those inspectors got thrown out of the country time after time. Did you completely forget this. Go back and read about the UN inspections in Iraq and what the inspectors had to deal with. I am more than willing to be accurate. You have got to hold to this also. If you say we should have given it more time even though Iraq constantly balked and lied etc.. chunked the inspectors out, that we STILL could have worked something in the long run, ok. But to completely forget how much trouble the UN had inspecting anything in Iraq is disingenious history, and thats being kind. I have no agenda here. I want accuracy. I want people to go back and put themselves in that moment and ask what was going on AT THAT TIME. You cant just take the easy way out and forget it all.

Pgardn,
You might find this article interesting.http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1022-04.htm
DTS

[SCUDSBROTHER]

"I don't know about that. I think the vast majority of people in Iraq want democracy."


You have Geedubbya's disease.If you want to stay there until there's Democracy,then our troops will be there when you die.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

"I don't know about that. I think the vast majority of people in Iraq want democracy."


You have Geedubbya's disease.If you want to stay there until there's Democracy,then our troops will be there when you die.

I agree with you. We can't stay there forever. We've already been there for 4 years. I hope we get out in the next year or two.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
You might find this article interesting.http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1022-04.htm
DTS

DTS they are only printing the parts of the story that sound good. Go look at all the other articles in which Blix complains profusely about the Iraqi's complete lack of cooperations and how they let them into sites they wanted them to see.

Common dreams is cutting a pasting. Thats just not an accurate portrayal of the situation. I followed this very closely because I did not want us to get into war and was hoping beyond hope that the UN would be allowed into all the sites they wanted on their time scale, because they clearly said thing had been moved and hidden by the Iraqis BEFORE they were allowed in. What they were hiding I have no idea now. But this article is reprehensible in what it has left out. Blix and other UN officials were constantly deceived and lied to and nothing in that article says anything about how bad this problem was.

That article is really not fair, not at all.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

DTS they are only printing the parts of the story that sound good. Go look at all the other articles in which Blix complains profusely about the Iraqi's complete lack of cooperations and how they let them into sites they wanted them to see.

Common dreams is cutting a pasting. Thats just not an accurate portrayal of the situation. I followed this very closely because I did not want us to get into war and was hoping beyond hope that the UN would be allowed into all the sites they wanted on their time scale, because they clearly said thing had been moved and hidden by the Iraqis BEFORE they were allowed in. What they were hiding I have no idea now. But this article is reprehensible in what it has left out. Blix and other UN officials were constantly deceived and lied to and nothing in that article says anything about how bad this problem was.

That article is really not fair, not at all.

Pgardn,
Alas, there are no "do overs". Blix and his team had inspected 500 of 700 suspected sites (if you read the article). Saddam was in a "box" and bluffing.
Blix wanted more time to carry on the inspections. This is fact.
That there were nuclear weapons, yellow cake or centerfuges clearly has proven to not be. Remember who put those "stories" out?
So who was decieved? Who rushed to invade?
Blix's own words point to a truth that can not be denied.http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/25/news/invade.php

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
Alas, there are no "do overs". Blix and his team had inspected 500 of 700 suspected sites (if you read the article). Saddam was in a "box" and bluffing.
Blix wanted more time to carry on the inspections. This is fact.
That there were nuclear weapons, yellow cake or centerfuges clearly has proven to not be. Remember who put those "stories" out?
So who was decieved? Who rushed to invade?
Blix's own words point to a truth that can not be denied.http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/25/news/invade.php

DTS: you still only tell the facts as you see them,and Hans wants another 15 mins of fame as an expert! Do you honestly believe that there was no movement of WMD's to Syria and other areas? What was Saddam dancing for 8 months,if not to clear out the evidence. Is Sarin gas deadly enough for you? The book "DISINFORMATION" details the stockpiles that were moved,as well as other info that MSM will not print. Russia supplied info on links between Al Queda and Hussein...nobody talks about that. The entire civilised world considered Saddam a threat not only to peace,but stability in region as well. "blinkers ON" bro! PS Still waiting for comment on previous post to you

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: you still only tell the facts as you see them,and Hans wants another 15 mins of fame as an expert! Do you honestly believe that there was no movement of WMD's to Syria and other areas? What was Saddam dancing for 8 months,if not to clear out the evidence. Is Sarin gas deadly enough for you? The book "DISINFORMATION" details the stockpiles that were moved,as well as other info that MSM will not print. Russia supplied info on links between Al Queda and Hussein...nobody talks about that. The entire civilised world considered Saddam a threat not only to peace,but stability in region as well. "blinkers ON" bro! PS Still waiting for comment on previous post to you

ok Timm,
I'll start with your last request.
The way to a peaceful resolution is to arrange negotiations including, but not limited to, the Shias, Sunnis, Kurds, an Iranian representative (as Iraq will become a theocracy later), and a US "moderator". The USA is unable to resolve this "war" without the assistance of other Mideast Governments.
As far as the wmd's...if they were in"fact" moved to Syria (part of the axis of evil), how come they haven't been used?
My understanding is:
1) There were no nuclear weapons.
2) Biological weapons were extended beyond their "shelf life" and no longer effective.
3) Chemical weapons. Though used by Saddam against the Kurds (despicable), might still exist. I really don't know. Is there proof that they remain? If so, where, and why haven't they been used by the "rougue state" they were shipped to for the past five years?

With sanctions in place and ongoing inspections, Saddam was not the threat to the rest of the world that was "sold". Hence, the change of "mission" from finding wmd's to regime change, to providing "democracy"..to refereeing a civil war.

[Downthestretch55]

timm,
Here is an article you might find to be of interest.
Please note the date. The author was a UN inspector in Iraq.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0721-02.htm

ps...sorry that it came from "common dreams"

[timmgirvan]

Don't know what the shelf life of Sarin gas is..and we can discuss it aud infinitum..so OK. Your solution(I'm glad you decided to put out) is correct, but it will be llike "herding cats" with all the baggage those groups bring to the table. Would have been nice for the rest of the world to cooperate, but they don't have the guts to follow through on most things anyway! As to the location of said WMDs....Like Syria's not that stupid....they get the most mileage from making USA look bad! Sorry,Buddy.....I'll stick with Bush. Have a good election nite and May only HALF of your dreams come true!