7 of 8 BC winners to run next year

#1 11-07-2006, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

"Deserve" retirement? Sounds like you think racing is cruelty to the horse. Horses are born and bred to do one thing...run. If she didnt want to run anymore it would be made very clear by the horse. The only thing horses deserve is not to be retired at 3 and forced not to run anymore.

Dude she fought more battles than Patton. Shes an alltime great and has proven all there is to prove.

kgar311 · #2 11-07-2006, 08:20 AM

I totally agree. But thats just like saying Tom Brady should of retired after his second superbowl at age 24, he has nothing left to prove? Then he wouldnt of won his third. Ive been around horses enough to know that some of them like training just like human athletes and some like competition also. It would just be a shame to stick a horse in a barn all day and let them stand in a field if they are not ready to do that. Shes at he top of her game right now. Anyways she only has two more starts in her over in Japan. Maybe she has something to prove over there.

31lengths · #3 11-07-2006, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I totally agree. But thats just like saying Tom Brady should of retired after his second superbowl at age 24, he has nothing left to prove? Then he wouldnt of won his third. Ive been around horses enough to know that some of them like training just like human athletes and some like competition also. It would just be a shame to stick a horse in a barn all day and let them stand in a field if they are not ready to do that. Shes at he top of her game right now. Anyways she only has two more starts in her over in Japan. Maybe she has something to prove over there.

I suppose Brady could have retired after winning the big game ..... how much would a first crop Brady be worth ?

Cajungator26 · #4 11-07-2006, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 31lengths

I suppose Brady could have retired after winning the big game ..... how much would a first crop Brady be worth ?

Tom Brady is the epitomy of hot.

Sorry... carry on.

Sightseek · #5 11-07-2006, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Tom Brady is the epitomy of hot.

Sorry... carry on.

I think he is icky.

Cajungator26 · #6 11-07-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

I think he is icky.

Are you serious? I think he's a cute kid for sure, although I'm not partial to the Patriots.

Sightseek · #7 11-07-2006, 09:10 AM

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Are you serious? I think he's a cute kid for sure, although I'm not partial to the Patriots.

Dead serious, something about him always really irritated me. I bartended an event that he was at and still was completely unimpressed.

#8 11-07-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 31lengths

I suppose Brady could have retired after winning the big game ..... how much would a first crop Brady be worth ?

In the tens of millions. Possibly the greatest sire since Evansville Slew.

kgar311 · #9 11-07-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 31lengths

I suppose Brady could have retired after winning the big game ..... how much would a first crop Brady be worth ?

Dont know, but how many mares is oiuja board going to mount this year?
Oh wait isnt she a she? So I dont think she will be having crops.

LARHAGE · #10 11-07-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I totally agree. But thats just like saying Tom Brady should of retired after his second superbowl at age 24, he has nothing left to prove? Then he wouldnt of won his third. Ive been around horses enough to know that some of them like training just like human athletes and some like competition also. It would just be a shame to stick a horse in a barn all day and let them stand in a field if they are not ready to do that. Shes at he top of her game right now. Anyways she only has two more starts in her over in Japan. Maybe she has something to prove over there.

I've been around horses a long time too, and frankly, unlike Brady, Ouija Board would rather hang around a beautiful green pasture with a herd of pals doing nothing but eating and scratching in the sunlight, most of them would!

Cajungator26 · #11 11-07-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I've been around horses a long time too, and frankly, unlike Brady, Ouija Board would rather hang around a beautiful green pasture with a herd of pals doing nothing but eating and scratching in the sunlight, most of them would!

They sure would...

I can understand what he's saying to an extent, though... when I retired my jumper, it took him a good 6 months to understand that there weren't going to be any more horse shows. Whenever we loaded up the trailer, he'd whinny from his paddock and wonder why the hell he wasn't going too. Sometimes, if a horse lives a certain lifestyle for long enough, they don't know any other life and it's a big adjustment for them... especially for the competitive and dominant horses. (Which are few and far. LOL)

GenuineRisk · #12 11-07-2006, 01:19 PM

I know I'm going to sound like a pooh-pooher, but it's not really retirement; it's her next career-- she'll be either pregnant or nursing for the rest of her active years, which is not exactly risk-free for mares. It's not like they're retiring her so she can relax- they're moving her to broodmare so they can, hopefully for them, continue to make money off of her.

Mind you, I agree that there isn't much left for her to prove, and since Kingmambo seems to be getting a bit long in the tooth in HIS second career, perhaps better to get a Kingmambo baby as soon as possible!

I can't grouse about retiring a five-year-old mare the way I can a three-year-old colt, though, so I'm looking forward to following her babies' careers. Plus, it's easier to follow a mare's babies, since they don't have as many!

LARHAGE · #13 11-07-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I know I'm going to sound like a pooh-pooher, but it's not really retirement; it's her next career-- she'll be either pregnant or nursing for the rest of her active years, which is not exactly risk-free for mares. It's not like they're retiring her so she can relax- they're moving her to broodmare so they can, hopefully for them, continue to make money off of her.

Mind you, I agree that there isn't much left for her to prove, and since Kingmambo seems to be getting a bit long in the tooth in HIS second career, perhaps better to get a Kingmambo baby as soon as possible!

I can't grouse about retiring a five-year-old mare the way I can a three-year-old colt, though, so I'm looking forward to following her babies' careers. Plus, it's easier to follow a mare's babies, since they don't have as many!

I don't agree, it is not a ''career'', it's as natural to a horse as living and breathing, as with all life. The mares spend the majority of their lives grazing and raising their foals, they love it, ever hear a mare nicker at the straw in her stall as she's being led in to foal?They know the little one is coming, they adore their foals. I'm not saying theres no risk, but there is risk in them just living. I guess my point is a top class broodmare lives about as ideal a life as a horse can, and that is what Ouija Board has earned at this point.

kgar311 · #14 11-07-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I've been around horses a long time too, and frankly, unlike Brady, Ouija Board would rather hang around a beautiful green pasture with a herd of pals doing nothing but eating and scratching in the sunlight, most of them would!

Are you the new horse whisperer. I had a conversation with OB last month and she told me that she loved racing thats why she still wins. When did she tell you that she would rather hang out in a field and do nothing?

My whole point to this thread earlier was that I thought Oracle made it seem it was cruel to race a "race" horse. This is what they do. If she seemed hurt or was lacking on the race track I would say def. retire. But as far as I could tell she still has something in her so let her race. And as gator said horses do get depressed when taken off the racetrack or out of competition, its all they know.

LARHAGE · #15 11-07-2006, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

Are you the new horse whisperer. I had a conversation with OB last month and she told me that she loved racing thats why she still wins. When did she tell you that she would rather hang out in a field and do nothing?

My whole point to this thread earlier was that I thought Oracle made it seem it was cruel to race a "race" horse. This is what they do. If she seemed hurt or was lacking on the race track I would say def. retire. But as far as I could tell she still has something in her so let her race. And as gator said horses do get depressed when taken off the racetrack or out of competition, its all they know.

I'm not a horse whisperer, but I know horses and they race because we make them, it isn't something they would do on their own. I, nor Oracle, was inferring that racing was cruel, but rather that she has accomplished enough on the track to earn a nice retirement, and yes, it's a life horses love, THAT is what they were evolved to do. I have heard of horses pining away when taken from the track, but it's 9 out of 10 times geldings, they are managed completely different, mares LOVE being out in pasture, thats there natural life.

Cajungator26 · #16 11-07-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I'm not a horse whisperer, but I know horses and they race because we make them, it isn't something they would do on their own. I, nor Oracle, was inferring that racing was cruel, but rather that she has accomplished enough on the track to earn a nice retirement, and yes, it's a life horses love, THAT is what they were evolved to do. I have heard of horses pining away when taken from the track, but it's 9 out of 10 times geldings, they are managed completely different, mares LOVE being out in pasture, thats there natural life.

I should add that I wasn't disagreeing with you at all. I think that the majority of horses enjoy life out in the field. There are cases where it's an adjustment period for them, but I think that they enjoy it a lot more than being hauled around everywhere for competitions or races.

I think that Ouija Board definitely deserves to rest. She's done all that she's been asked for and then some.

kgar311 · #17 11-07-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I'm not a horse whisperer, but I know horses and they race because we make them, it isn't something they would do on their own. I, nor Oracle, was inferring that racing was cruel, but rather that she has accomplished enough on the track to earn a nice retirement, and yes, it's a life horses love, THAT is what they were evolved to do. I have heard of horses pining away when taken from the track, but it's 9 out of 10 times geldings, they are managed completely different, mares LOVE being out in pasture, thats there natural life.

Wow horses are forced to race, thats a first. Youre right all horses stop in their tracks when jockeys fall off. Ive never seen a horse do battle with another with out jockey. Plus all that legislation in congress to stop horse racing because its cruel and it forces horses to do things they dont want to do. Ive come across horses that refuse to go on to the track and not once have I ever seen a trainer whip and beat a horse to make them train. Once that happens they are finished.

LARHAGE · #18 11-07-2006, 02:19 PM

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Wow horses are forced to race, thats a first. Youre right all horses stop in their tracks when jockeys fall off. Ive never seen a horse do battle with another with out jockey. Plus all that legislation in congress to stop horse racing because its cruel and it forces horses to do things they dont want to do. Ive come across horses that refuse to go on to the track and not once have I ever seen a trainer whip and beat a horse to make them train. Once that happens they are finished.

The simplistic answer is horses are PUT into training, they don't all line themselves up out in a field and race, they compete because they are made to, the good ones excel and do get to understand the game, the bad ones don't. They also run on after the jockey falls off because they are herd animals and their instinct is the safety of the herd. I'm not saying they can't and don't enjoy racing, but believe me, they also would rather spend their times in a pasture than a 12x12 box stall for 22 hours a day.

LARHAGE · #19 11-07-2006, 01:08 PM

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Dude she fought more battles than Patton. Shes an alltime great and has proven all there is to prove.

I agree with you, I love seeing horses race as much as the next person, but there comes a time when a special horse like her has accomplished more than a person can dream of, she has earned the right to relax and hopefully reproduce her greatness. I certainly would be terrified of losing her after all she has done.