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[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Perrault Robbed

What Slew O' Gold did in the fall of his 3 year old season was remarkable.
How do his figures compare to his 4 years old campaign?

Slew O' Gold was a Seattle Slew half brother to Coastal.

I don't have figures for Slew O' Gold. I looked and couldn't find anything -- and the DRF Archive site is down right now.

Coastal was one of the most underrated 3yo's you will ever see. When he won the Peter Pan Stakes by 13 lengths in his final Belmont Stakes prep -- he ran a 122 figure -- and that figure is based off of the Beyer pars of today...and not the Pars of eight years ago where it would have been a 126 or 127.

Interestingly, in the history of the Haskell, Coastal is the only horse to ever win carrying 127lbs or more. A few have failed to win under that impost (Spend a Buck, Little Current) -- Holy Bull carried 126lbs to victory.

Here is a link where I detailed the process for making old figs and used Coastal's Peter Pan as an example. http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...hlight=Coastal

[Linny]

Being a huge Bid fan, I rather resented Coastal at the time. In retrospect, I have far greater respect for him. Coastal was a serious horse whose historical place has generally been "the spoiler."

Bid would be all but unbeatable today as his one "limitation" was 12f. Of course, it took some serious horses to beat him at 12f. Today, after facing a crew of 9f bred horses in the Belmont, he'd never again need to face such a route. Bid was the only horse that could consistently run races on par with those of Dr Fager. He never just "didn't fire."

The range of deevelopment pointed out in this thread demonstrates why the lack of an "older" campaign was once considered questionable. Today, it behooves many owners to retire a nice 3yo before he might face a dressing down by potential later arrivals.

What might a 4yo campaign from Point Given have looked like? Would he have held his own or would Pleasantly Perfect or Lido Palace or others had his measure? Looking at his 3yo campaign it's hard to think he'd have been less than a monster but alot can happen.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Linny

Being a huge Bid fan, I rather resented Coastal at the time. In retrospect, I have far greater respect for him. Coastal was a serious horse whose historical place has generally been "the spoiler."

Bid would be all but unbeatable today as his one "limitation" was 12f. Of course, it took some serious horses to beat him at 12f. Today, after facing a crew of 9f bred horses in the Belmont, he'd never again need to face such a route. Bid was the only horse that could consistently run races on par with those of Dr Fager. He never just "didn't fire."

The range of deevelopment pointed out in this thread demonstrates why the lack of an "older" campaign was once considered questionable. Today, it behooves many owners to retire a nice 3yo before he might face a dressing down by potential later arrivals.

What might a 4yo campaign from Point Given have looked like? Would he have held his own or would Pleasantly Perfect or Lido Palace or others had his measure? Looking at his 3yo campaign it's hard to think he'd have been less than a monster but alot can happen.

the one i most wish had raced at four? bernardini

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Linny

Being a huge Bid fan, I rather resented Coastal at the time. In retrospect, I have far greater respect for him. Coastal was a serious horse whose historical place has generally been "the spoiler."

Bid would be all but unbeatable today as his one "limitation" was 12f. Of course, it took some serious horses to beat him at 12f. Today, after facing a crew of 9f bred horses in the Belmont, he'd never again need to face such a route. Bid was the only horse that could consistently run races on par with those of Dr Fager. He never just "didn't fire."

The range of deevelopment pointed out in this thread demonstrates why the lack of an "older" campaign was once considered questionable. Today, it behooves many owners to retire a nice 3yo before he might face a dressing down by potential later arrivals.

What might a 4yo campaign from Point Given have looked like? Would he have held his own or would Pleasantly Perfect or Lido Palace or others had his measure? Looking at his 3yo campaign it's hard to think he'd have been less than a monster but alot can happen.

It should be noted that The Bid NEVER lost a race from 7 furlongs to 1 1/4 mile. not many greats can say that