Less choice coming for New York City

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

You really need to read up on abortion law.

Oh so there is a limit now on how many abortions? Per month, per year, per lifetime - what's the number?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Oh so there is a limit now on how many abortions? Per month, per year, per lifetime - what's the number?

12 a year from first menstration to last. 40 years? 480 total.

Abortion is the law as is the right to own arms. How many or how often is nobody else's business. However likewise paying or financing is also nobody else's business.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

12 a year from first menstration to last. 40 years? 480 total.

Abortion is the law as is the right to own arms. How many or how often is nobody else's business. However likewise paying or financing is also nobody else's business.

Please google "Hyde Amendment." It should put to rest your fears that you are paying for abortions.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Please google "Hyde Amendment." It should put to rest your fears that you are paying for abortions.

Google Cook County Hospital abortion costs. There's a shortfall somewhere.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

12 a year from first menstration to last. 40 years? 480 total.

Abortion is the law as is the right to own arms. How many or how often is nobody else's business. However likewise paying or financing is also nobody else's business.

Not quite the same. The right to bear arms is enumerated in the Constitution and explicitly stated. Abortion is "deemed" a right because a majority of Justices in 1973 found a "right to privacy" that was not written down in the Constitution, and used that as a basis for another unwritten right.

Also, abortion cannot be used in self-defense like a firearm can. 200 million plus firearms in the country and only the smallest fraction is ever used in a crime.

Every abortion means that a life was snuffed out - many of us see that as murder, regardless of the age of the victim, and regardless that there were no witnesses except the doctor who killed the victim.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Not quite the same. The right to bear arms is enumerated in the Constitution and explicitly stated. Abortion is "deemed" a right because a majority of Justices in 1973 found a "right to privacy" that was not written down in the Constitution, and used that as a basis for another unwritten right.

Also, abortion cannot be used in self-defense like a firearm can. 200 million plus firearms in the country and only the smallest fraction is ever used in a crime.

Every abortion means that a life was snuffed out - many of us see that as murder, regardless of the age of the victim, and regardless that there were no witnesses except the doctor who killed the victim.

separation of church and state is also not explicitly stated.

and many do see it as murder, but many others do not. and much like having the right to bear arms, you don't have to actively participate in a right given you.
so, joey, don't have any abortions. you have every right to your opinions. you do not however have the right to dictate to others based on your opinions. and that's exactly what the supreme court ruled back than. i know many want to have full control over women, but i guess they just don't have that right.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

separation of church and state is also not explicitly stated.

and many do see it as murder, but many others do not. and much like having the right to bear arms, you don't have to actively participate in a right given you.
so, joey, don't have any abortions. you have every right to your opinions. you do not however have the right to dictate to others based on your opinions. and that's exactly what the supreme court ruled back than. i know many want to have full control over women, but i guess they just don't have that right.

Separation of church and state is not an element of the Constitution per se - it comes from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. Of course nearly all of us agree with that principle.

However, the definition of when life begins is as much an element of science as it is of religion, and conservatism (NOT political conservatism - but just the reserve that goes along with making an important and irrevocable decision) dictates that if there is the slightest possibility that this is a murder, it should not be done. Period.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Separation of church and state is not an element of the Constitution per se - it comes from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. Of course nearly all of us agree with that principle.

However, the definition of when life begins is as much an element of science as it is of religion, and conservatism (NOT political conservatism - but just the reserve that goes along with making an important and irrevocable decision) dictates that if there is the slightest possibility that this is a murder, it should not be done. Period.

i know full well where church and state is found-that was my point. it's not explicitly listed in the constitution, along with a lot of other things.

as for when life begins, no one has answered that question. it's your opinion of when it begins, just like i have mine, and others have theirs. i don't want policy like that set based on feeling, emotion or opinion.
don't agree that it should be done, don't do it.

[Danzig]

and joey, i'm not trying to get you to change your mind-that would be impossible.
rather, you just need to understand that not everyone sees things the same way as you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Oh so there is a limit now on how many abortions? Per month, per year, per lifetime - what's the number?

No. There are legal limits on when abortions can be performed. And taxpayer dollars don't pay for any of it.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. There are legal limits on when abortions can be performed. And taxpayer dollars don't pay for any of it.

So there is no limit on the number of first trimester abortions (or executions) that can be carried out? That's what I said - you can abort as many babies as you want (every baby has a first trimester), but you can't get a soda larger than 16 oz in New York City.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. There are legal limits on when abortions can be performed. And taxpayer dollars don't pay for any of it.

And what about GenuineRisk's pointing out that the money must be coming from somewhere if they are not collecting the revenue from the woman to pay for it?