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11-06-2006, 09:57 PM
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Here is an example. http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...1037#post81037 
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11-06-2006, 11:05 PM
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11-07-2006, 06:43 AM
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Over and over you were quick to characterize someone with the label "postrace genius", without even considering what may have been said pre-race. examples; "I just can't stand when people try to sound like geniuses after the fact" and "The point is it's much easier to ridicule those who bet Bernardini to even money and singled him after he loses" and "Ah yes, another postrace genius." I was trying to point out to you that much was said pre-race, and that you might want to consider that before jumping to more conclusions.
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11-07-2006, 07:03 AM
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Sounds like the Bernardini fans can dish it, but not take it...
Do you know how many threads we would see if he won that would say how stupid the doubters were... There were quotes like these: He's here, the horse we have been all waiting for and some don't appreciate him... He's going to get his Coronation... and multiple quotes of arrogance of how he easily would win the BCC... He didn't and now the people who questioned him are right, that's okay, this game changes we could all be wrong about the next thing, but if we are arrogant enough to say some of the things said about Bernardini, we should get some ribbing as well...I think he's a very good horse, not great or one of the greats, but very good and I think I overvalued him, I gave him about a 75%-80% chance of winning and that was probably too high, but it more than worked out for me... Get over it and say you were wrong, dead wrong, in fact you couldn't have been more wrong, but I doubt we'll see it... And congrats to Arljim, he's one that I remember for a long time saying how good Invasior was....
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11-07-2006, 07:08 AM
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Your first point is well taken and absolutely the truth. Ateam dished it out just fine after Ghostzapper destroyed his rivals. He deserved to. Ateam was certain no distance would stop him long before he even went two turns. Thats cool, you call the shot you get to talk smack. But looks like he can't take it so well, and a few others either. Pathetic that they can talk smack for 3 or 4 months and post pictures, whatever, and then act indignant when he loses.
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11-07-2006, 07:14 AM
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11-07-2006, 07:18 AM
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A certain clique acted as if anyone who didn't agree that Bernadini was the best horse since Secretariat was a complete idiot and told those folks so. I respect smack talking, and lots is in good fun. But when you talk the smack and the horse gets beat you have to offer props, thats why we post here and wage these mini battles. It ruins the fun when one side who talked the smack won't offer props to the others afterwards even when they were dead wrong.
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11-07-2006, 07:25 AM
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11-07-2006, 02:11 PM
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What a gift.
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11-07-2006, 08:19 AM
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FMC, good job! Your horse has now conquered two continents. Who knows, in March it could become three continents.
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11-07-2006, 08:27 AM
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That's true FMC is a valued person on this board, always has good info...
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11-07-2006, 01:38 PM
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And all of this "Bernardini fans can dish it but not take it" bull****.. Give me a break. You want to say Invasor's a better horse? Fine with me. I personally am not going to say that based on one meeting and a one length difference, but if you want to say it, that's not outlandish. You want to say Bernardini was overrated? Cool. Of course he was.. Like dalakhani said, he would've had to win by 10+ NOT to be considered overrated (and for the record, it was mainly the media crowd that was overrating him in order to get people to watch). But to say he lost because of a "lack of heart" or to write him off as a total piece of **** is where I step in. All of that is silly. By the way, you have no right to ever say a discouraging word about Bernardini if you ever hyped up Lava Man. None. The way things sound around here, you'd swear Bernardini ran last and Lava Man skipped the race. Lava Man was just as hyped earlier in the year as Bernardini was recently, and yet the people who immediately sang the praises of Lava Man's supposed brilliance get no flak whatsoever. It's a ridiculous double standard and I'm tired of it.
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11-07-2006, 02:06 PM
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In my opinion your continued hot comments make you the poster-child for the "Bernardini fans can dish it but not take it" accusations. That was not an accusation I brought up but you addressed it to me so I responded. I've never hyped Lava Man for the Classic. Many people liked him but to me he was a throwout and yes I posted that pre-race. Maybe you're missing the point. I don't see anyone writing off Bernardini as total piece of ****. In my mind this exercise has been mainly about elevating Invasor to the status he belongs as well as being a little more realistic about how good Bernardini was. Frankly you seem to be still steaming about what happened. In my opinion some of your comments on this thread seem rather bellicose for a "super moderator".
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11-07-2006, 02:40 PM
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Listen dude. You make ridiculous statements and I'm going to respond accordingly. I'm not going to initiate any trouble on here, but please don't expect that, just because I'm a moderator, I'm going to let anyone say whatever they want without any response. If you're respectful, I'll treat you with respect, but if you're obnoxious and boisterous and inflammatory, I'm taking off the gloves too, moderator or no moderator. You had a problem with what I said? Awesome. You're one of the few, so I'm not too worried about how you feel. "Frankly," you seem to be way too gassed for picking Invasor and getting respect from Oracle, but that's just my opinion.
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11-07-2006, 02:48 PM
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What about when you said that you couldn't wait to see Bernardini win, so we would cry like salty little girls...Was that respectful?
He lost, no disgrace, like Kasept said they run the race 10X, it probably comes out 5 for each. Some on here wanted to see proof that he was great and got ripped for it, go look at the Bernardini is thread it's full of people boasting on Bernardini and others question doubting his greatness. There were alot of way out of whack observations on Dini and some questioned it, no big deal. The doubter were right, it happens, could have easily gone the other way and you would have been the lead cheerleader for the Bernardini haters are idiots group..
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11-07-2006, 02:49 PM
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11-07-2006, 03:21 PM
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What ridiculus, obnoxious, boisterous, or inflammatory comment did I make that made you take the gloves off? I don't remember anything like that. On the other hand, stating that people should be shot that hold a particular opinion seems a bit off the reservation if you ask me. I don't have a "problem" with what you said. Frankly to me this is all a silly diversion to take my mind off other things. Whatever I said was done in a spirit of honestly debating the merits of the horses. That you're not worried about how I feel is a great relief. I'll admit that I did get a lot of satisfaction from being right about Invasor. This is what we strive for right? to be correct about the biggest race of the year? This had been building for a long time and to finally see it play out exactly the way you thought, well yeah maybe I am too gassed. That will quickly dissipate however and I'll be brought back down to earth. The game always does that. Hey, us Invasor people have had only a few days now of gloating. How long did we listen to the Bernardini brigades? All summer. finally, whatever I have said has nothing whatsoever to do with getting respect from Oracle or anyone else for that matter. That was not my objective.
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