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ateamstupid · #81 11-06-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

he was set at even money on the morning line, which blew my mind. i mean, this wasn't the jcgc, this was the bcc! and i said all along not to single him, i chose ouija to single--so it's not like i'm dog piling on now.

Well then, I have to say I didn't see you saying any of that before the race, but I'll take your word for it, and congratulations, you were right.

I just can't stand when people try to sound like geniuses after the fact.

#82 11-06-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're right. You can cut and paste. Now all you need is a point to argue, and you'll be set.

Ease up there slim. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I left the old board a week before the BC, and it had nothing to do with racing. I decided that I didn't like how much some of the bull**** that was said on there was bothering me, so I pretty much stepped back and took a reality check. I'd say this is something you should've done a long time ago, but I think you've always been this obnoxious.

The point is it's much easier to ridicule those who bet Bernardini to even money and singled him after he loses.

Noone is talking about betting Ateam.
At least I'm not. I don't think his odds had much to do with anything really.
And yeah he was great, I said it at least 3 times today on various threads. Its just that if you went back and read some of the **** that you and others posted to people who had doubts, you'd see what the deal was here.
Lets face it, you are now batting .500 on these deals. I don't forget anything. You were the original talk **** king on GZ, when others had doubts. And you were one obnoxious dude after he kicked ass in the BCC, you got your licks in on everyone and deservedly so. You called the shot, and you got the spoils. This time you didn't, and I expected you to suck up and take it like a man.

Danzig · #83 11-06-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Well then, I have to say I didn't see you saying any of that before the race, but I'll take your word for it, and congratulations, you were right.

I just can't stand when people try to sound like geniuses after the fact.

i felt pretty well about invasor, said all last week not to shrug him off due to the layoff--barbaro taught me that you don't ignore a horse based on just having time away....been on invasor all year. i remember when i was defending lava man after one of his wins, more than one person asked if i felt so good about LM that he was my bcc pick. i said no, that i was backing invasor. just thought lava man got hammered too much, hell he won all but once all year.

doesn't really matter tho, i couldn't put my money where my mouth was on any of the racing.

#84 11-06-2006, 09:26 PM

All I was ever saying is it is tough to run in large fields with a bunch of good horses. Bernardini ran a very good race and I now have more respect for such a talented 3 year old. He faced a large fairly tough field and responded admirably. People just dont understand that a horse does not necessarily have to win to earn respect. Smarty Jones impressed me more in the Belmont than any other race I saw him run. That race put him in a special category. But of course a horse has to win... for some people. Mineshaft running a fantastic race against Perfect Drift also put him in a new category for me. These horses just did not give in, they gave everything they had. That is one of the things that defines a great animal for me.

Too bad we wont have the pleasure of watching him run again. I think with a better strategy, a little maturity, and an understanding that this was not the same type of field, Bernardini could indeed win a tough race like he just lost. He could have been one of the great ones, no doubt about that. Only 3 years old. Its really sad for me.

dalakhani · #85 11-06-2006, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Noone is talking about betting Ateam.
At least I'm not. I don't think his odds had much to do with anything really.
And yeah he was great, I said it at least 3 times today on various threads. Its just that if you went back and read some of the **** that you and others posted to people who had doubts, you'd see what the deal was here.
Lets face it, you are now batting .500 on these deals. I don't forget anything. You were the original talk **** king on GZ, when others had doubts. And you were one obnoxious dude after he kicked ass in the BCC, you got your licks in on everyone and deservedly so. You called the shot, and you got the spoils. This time you didn't, and I expected you to suck up and take it like a man.

And what about you? Youve been sucking on Circular Quay's horse C o c k since the summer. He was supposed to be the next coming according to you and he wasnt very close to the winner on BC day. I heard you and a bunch of his fans talking all this mess about CQ. What happened to him?

ArlJim78 · #86 11-06-2006, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

Jim, did you see the poster that they (ESPN? BC? NTRA?) put out? It pretty much said screw Invasor, Sun King, etc. Its all about those two. Thats where I took the Lava Man/Bernardini thing from...

http://www.bloodhorse.com/pdf/bc_man...oster_2006.pdf

Also, I do think that seeing Bernardini win impressively would have been better than seeing him run 2nd. I think he ran a great second, but to some - esecially non sports fans - 2nd, no matter how good/bad it is, is just a losing effort. I do think that the fans that he could have attracted woudl have been s you said people not to be counted on, but you never know. I'd rather have the fans for a couple of months than not at all. Its not provable that he'd have indeed brought in more fans but that's just how I feel. Tons of individual horses have brought fans to the game - Funny Cide brought a ton in I think (he got me hooked), Smarty Jones, Point Given was the one who first got me interested. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that most people on here could pinpoint one of the 'greats' that brought them in - Slew, Affirmed, Secretariat, etc. Not all, but quite a few. I'm not comparing Bernardini to those, because he isnt, but wouldnt it have been great if he was? THen again, wouldnt it have been great if he had no nuts? LOL

Yes, I saw that poster and that is what I was talking about. Marketing people often get it wrong when they try to simplify things.

Yes a great horse might attract casual people and some of them may hang around and become long term fans. I just think in the long run it doesn't convert many. My main point was that I think that there was one great horse that was overlooked by everyone including the marketers. To bring in the most viewers they should have billed it as a battle of the worlds best, US (East and West), South America (Invasor), Europe (George and Junior).

2Hot4TV · #87 11-06-2006, 09:30 PM

Glad that's over.

Danzig · #88 11-06-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

All I was ever saying is it is tough to run in large fields with a bunch of good horses. Bernardini ran a very good race and I now have more respect for such a talented 3 year old. He faced a large fairly tough field and responded admirably. People just dont understand that a horse does not necessarily have to win to earn respect. Smarty Jones impressed me more in the Belmont than any other race I saw him run. That race put him in a special category. But of course a horse has to win... for some people. Mineshaft running a fantastic race against Perfect Drift also put him in a new category for me. These horses just did not give in, they gave everything they had. That is one of the things that defines a great animal for me.

Too bad we wont have the pleasure of watching him run again. I think with a better strategy, a little maturity, and an understanding that this was not the same type of field, Bernardini could indeed win a tough race like he just lost. He could have been one of the great ones, no doubt about that. Only 3 years old. Its really sad for me.

many a horse has gained more respect in defeat than some have with a win! that was demonstrated so often over the years with true handicapping races. sad that those have gone by the wayside, everyone so scared of losing anymore, regardless of how the horse looks in defeat.

i think i'm coming across this evening as being irritated by bernardini...fact is i'm pissed that he won't be back. that we have only have a handful of races from him--he's through. that run in the half dark the other day was it. and THAT stinks. i hope i never see the words 'sheik mo' and 'sportsman' together again.

1st_Saturday_in_May · #89 11-06-2006, 09:31 PM

Jim, that would have been a great idea! You shoulda sold it to the Breeders Cup! People eat up that nationality stuff. 'Tiznow wins it for America' You need to get into their marketing dept. because I think they did a poor job of marketing this year. Relied too much on Bernardini and that bit them in the ass. I'll be there to chance things for the 09 Breeders Cup with my sports marketing degree

#90 11-06-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

To bring in the most viewers they should have billed it as a battle of the worlds best, US (East and West), South America (Invasor), Europe (George and Junior).

That really would have been a damn good idea. I never even thought of that. Excellent idea on pitting regions against one another and getting people up for the race. Its been done before of course, but your groupings look very good now.

Beat to the punch by first sat... just read it after I posted.

ArlJim78 · #91 11-06-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you that Invasor has a better chance of beating Bernie at 1 1/4 miles than 1 1/8 miles. But even at 1 1/4 miles, if you had a 5 horse field in New York that didn't have much pace, I think that I would have to bet on Bernie.

Small field and no pace? Basically it would be a match race. This could put things more in Bernardinis favor but personally, I would bet on Invasor every time at 10 F against Bernardini, regardless of the size of the field. The field size would give both of them no excuse but I just think Invasor once he gets rolling would get past Bernardini. NY tracks are more speed favoring though so it would not be easy.

Sadly this is once again just a fantasy for people like us to debate on this board.

NoCarolinaTony · #92 11-06-2006, 09:46 PM

It's all irrelavant nonesense. The string borders on childishness.

What happened , happened. Bernadini proved to be a very good three year old and nothing more. Invasor has beaten G1 older horses before and during the BC races. It's a fact. It's history, it's over.

Bernadini will never prove superiority on the track since he's retired to salvage his Stud Value. In the end he will be an afterthought, unless he can reproduce a champion.

Great races this weekend.

NC Tony

ArlJim78 · #93 11-06-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Well then, I have to say I didn't see you saying any of that before the race, but I'll take your word for it, and congratulations, you were right.

I just can't stand when people try to sound like geniuses after the fact.

Nope, that's not correct either. There were numerous threads, before the fact, where several people tried to point out that Invasor was a serious threat to Bernardini. No matter what was said, getting through to some of the Bernardini people was futile. They acted like they knew it all. To use your words, "they tried to sound like geniuses".

Here is an example.

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...1037#post81037

ArlJim78 · #94 11-06-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May

Jim, that would have been a great idea! You shoulda sold it to the Breeders Cup! People eat up that nationality stuff. 'Tiznow wins it for America' You need to get into their marketing dept. because I think they did a poor job of marketing this year. Relied too much on Bernardini and that bit them in the ass. I'll be there to chance things for the 09 Breeders Cup with my sports marketing degree

Alright then, do it right! Okay?

GPK · #95 11-06-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NoCarolinaTony

It's all irrelavant nonesense. The string borders on childishness.

What happened , happened. Bernadini proved to be a very good three year old and nothing more. Invasor has beaten G1 older horses before and during the BC races. It's a fact. It's history, it's over.

Bernadini will never prove superiority on the track since he's retired to salvage his Stud Value. In the end he will be an afterthought, unless he can reproduce a champion.

Great races this weekend.

NC Tony

Atta boy Tony...represent with that Tarheel logo baby....our boys will kick ass and take names this year brotha....great returning squad and one of the best incoming classes in the country

ArlJim78 · #96 11-06-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

That really would have been a damn good idea. I never even thought of that. Excellent idea on pitting regions against one another and getting people up for the race. Its been done before of course, but your groupings look very good now.

Beat to the punch by first sat... just read it after I posted.

Thanks, I'll be here all week!

#97 11-06-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

Atta boy Tony...represent with that Tarheel logo baby....our boys will kick ass and take names this year brotha....great returning squad and one of the best incoming classes in the country

Have you guys won a football game?