Ok I Have Had Enough

[Rupert Pupkin]

I give full props to Invasor. He beat Bernie fair and square. But one thing that I'm guilty of and many of you are gulity of is putting too much emphasis on one race. If these two horses faced each other again in a small field in New York next month, I would not be surprised if Bernie turned the tables on him. How many times have we seen "Horse A" beat "Horse B", but then when they face each other again, "Horse B" beats "Horse A".

There are so many factors. Invasor may have moved up on the surface at Churchill. Who knows? Would Invasor beat Bernie in a 5 horse field at Aqueduct next month? I don't know.

It's really easy to get lose confidence in a horse when they lose, but the truth of the matter is that most great horses have lost races. There are some horses that retire undefeated but not too many. Even Secretariat lost a few races. I think he had a couple of medicore 3rd place finishes.

Anyway, all of that being said, I don't think that Bernardini is quite as good as many of us thought. But on the other hand, one race doesn't prove that much. If you judge Invasor on his nose victory over Sun King, he doesn't look like anything special.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I give full props to Invasor. He beat Bernie fair and square. But one thing that I'm guilty of and many of you are gulity of is putting too much emphasis on one race. If these two horses faced each other again in a small field in New York next month, I would not be surprised if Bernie turned the tables on him. How many times have we seen "Horse A" beat "Horse B", but then when they face each other again, "Horse B" beats "Horse A".

There are so many factors. Invasor may have moved up on the surface at Churchill. Who knows? Could Invasor beat Bernie in a 5 horse field at Aqueduct next month? I don't know.

I think it's a fair question that we'll never know the answer to. I think in one turn races in NY that Bernardini could very easily have turned the tables. For sure in races up to 9F the outcome could very well have been in doubt. In longer two turn races I give the edge to Invasor. I think one of Invasors strengths is that he seems to get better with added distance. He has a lot of stamina. In his 12F Group 1 race in Uruguay he faced 12 horses and won easily by more than six lengths.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I think it's a fair question that we'll never know the answer to. I think in one turn races in NY that Bernardini could very easily have turned the tables. For sure in races up to 9F the outcome could very well have been in doubt. In longer two turn races I give the edge to Invasor. I think one of Invasors strengths is that he seems to get better with added distance. He has a lot of stamina. In his 12F Group 1 race in Uruguay he faced 12 horses and won easily by more than six lengths.

I agree with you that Invasor has a better chance of beating Bernie at 1 1/4 miles than 1 1/8 miles. But even at 1 1/4 miles, if you had a 5 horse field in New York that didn't have much pace, I think that I would have to bet on Bernie.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you that Invasor has a better chance of beating Bernie at 1 1/4 miles than 1 1/8 miles. But even at 1 1/4 miles, if you had a 5 horse field in New York that didn't have much pace, I think that I would have to bet on Bernie.

Small field and no pace? Basically it would be a match race. This could put things more in Bernardinis favor but personally, I would bet on Invasor every time at 10 F against Bernardini, regardless of the size of the field. The field size would give both of them no excuse but I just think Invasor once he gets rolling would get past Bernardini. NY tracks are more speed favoring though so it would not be easy.

Sadly this is once again just a fantasy for people like us to debate on this board.

[NoCarolinaTony]

It's all irrelavant nonesense. The string borders on childishness.

What happened , happened. Bernadini proved to be a very good three year old and nothing more. Invasor has beaten G1 older horses before and during the BC races. It's a fact. It's history, it's over.

Bernadini will never prove superiority on the track since he's retired to salvage his Stud Value. In the end he will be an afterthought, unless he can reproduce a champion.

Great races this weekend.

NC Tony

[GPK]

Originally Posted by NoCarolinaTony

It's all irrelavant nonesense. The string borders on childishness.

What happened , happened. Bernadini proved to be a very good three year old and nothing more. Invasor has beaten G1 older horses before and during the BC races. It's a fact. It's history, it's over.

Bernadini will never prove superiority on the track since he's retired to salvage his Stud Value. In the end he will be an afterthought, unless he can reproduce a champion.

Great races this weekend.

NC Tony

Atta boy Tony...represent with that Tarheel logo baby....our boys will kick ass and take names this year brotha....great returning squad and one of the best incoming classes in the country

Originally Posted by GPK

Atta boy Tony...represent with that Tarheel logo baby....our boys will kick ass and take names this year brotha....great returning squad and one of the best incoming classes in the country

Have you guys won a football game?