Very unforgiving

[Cannon Shell]

It s the Al Capone theory.

[Cannon Shell]

I'd love to know what the withdrawl time for magnesium sulfate is. In laymans terms it is called Epsom salts.

I don't believe Pena is legitimate but it is a slippery slope when you start including epsom salts as a $25000 offense.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'd love to know what the withdrawl time for magnesium sulfate is. In laymans terms it is called Epsom salts.

I don't believe Pena is legitimate but it is a slippery slope when you start including epsom salts as a $25000 offense.

Epsom salts are about as harmless as bicarbonate.

Wonder if it's used as a masking agent?!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Epsom salts are about as harmless as bicarbonate.

Wonder if it's used as a masking agent?!

It isn't. The entire premise that masking agents are needed is pointless in reality and pretty much without merit. Horses are tested at far more stringent levels than humans and they are still only testing on most occasions for a laughably small number of pretty commonly known and used drugs anyway. None of the medications they are stating as infractions are the miracle drugs that turned Mr Pena into a genius trainer.

But as always you can choose to believe whatever you would like.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It isn't. The entire premise that masking agents are needed is pointless in reality and pretty much without merit. Horses are tested at far more stringent levels than humans and they are still only testing on most occasions for a laughably small number of pretty commonly known and used drugs anyway. None of the medications they are stating as infractions are the miracle drugs that turned Mr Pena into a genius trainer.

But as always you can choose to believe whatever you would like.

Dude, you so badly misread my meaning. Holy cow. I thought my position on masking agents was pretty clear, but in case it isn't, I think the whole concept of masking agents is ridiculous.

Come to think of it, the whole point of this thread is ridiculous. 1700+ violations? I mean what, did he just suddenly have those violations? If not, why wasn't #1647 the one that triggered the problems for Pena? And 25k per fine? Really?? 25k x 1700 = WTF? Sounds like someone has it in for him.

But as always, you can choose to believe you still are always right.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Dude, you so badly misread my meaning. Holy cow. I thought my position on masking agents was pretty clear, but in case it isn't, I think the whole concept of masking agents is ridiculous.

Come to think of it, the whole point of this thread is ridiculous. 1700+ violations? I mean what, did he just suddenly have those violations? If not, why wasn't #1647 the one that triggered the problems for Pena? And 25k per fine? Really?? 25k x 1700 = WTF? Sounds like someone has it in for him.

But as always, you can choose to believe you still are always right.

I don't see where there is a right or wrong other than your implying that somehow this was being used as a masking agent which would be wrong. Forgive me for not having the handy guide to all of your stated positions on topics of the day available. You do understand that none of these violations are traditional positives but after the fact, paper violations right?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I don't see where there is a right or wrong other than your implying that somehow this was being used as a masking agent which would be wrong. Forgive me for not having the handy guide to all of your stated positions on topics of the day available. You do understand that none of these violations are traditional positives but after the fact, paper violations right?

Yes, I get that!

And that is exactly what I find to be so bizarre about this whole thing. It seems so implausible.

Just to spell it out further for you, we are agreeing on this topic.