Ok I Have Had Enough

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Thank you. Anyone who is saying anything about Bernardini losing due to a lack of heart should be shot.

overkill, dont' you think?
that's as bad as hutchinsons pal down here saying if you aren't a razorback fan you're a communist. apparently i was unaware that i was a commie. glad it's been set straight for me.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

overkill, dont' you think?
that's as bad as hutchinsons pal down here saying if you aren't a razorback fan you're a communist. apparently i was unaware that i was a commie. glad it's been set straight for me.

Well hes either got no heart or hes nowhere near as good as Invasor is or as good as everyone said he was, its gotta be one or the other.
Know who oughta be shot? Anyone who ever dared compare him to Ghostzapper.
Ghostzapper would have urinated on him and left him a mile behind. I saw Ghostzapper, and Bernadini is no Ghostzapper.

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he was good, pretty good. but not a freak or a superhorse. he was not as bad as some are now saying, certainly not as good as others claimed he was...as for GZ, apparently those were the good old days, when a horse ran more than one year.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

he was good, pretty good. but not a freak or a superhorse. he was not as bad as some are now saying, certainly not as good as others claimed he was...as for GZ, apparently those were the good old days, when a horse ran more than one year.

Unbelievable.

When Ghostzapper was around, all anybody could do was bitch and whine about how he only ran four or five races a year. Now those are the good old days.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Unbelievable.

When Ghostzapper was around, all anybody could do was bitch and whine about how he only ran four or five races a year. Now those are the good old days.

well, i was one of those. hard to believe NOW, after looking back, that THEN was the good old days, huh? and we all just have to suck it up and be happy about it, not like we can do a damn thing about a horse running one year and gone. or three races a year. i think it stinks, and if you don't understand that i was being sarcastic, i don't know what to say.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Well hes either got no heart or hes nowhere near as good as Invasor is or as good as everyone said he was, its gotta be one or the other.
No who oughta be shot? Anyone who ever dared compare him to Ghostzapper.
Ghostzapper would have urinated on him and left him a mile behind. I saw Ghostzapper, and Bernadini is no Ghostzapper.

I also saw Bluegrass Cat and all the other rats you said would beat Bernardini, and they're no Bernardini.

So let me get this straight, because he lost by A LENGTH to Invasor, he's "nowhere near as good as Invasor"? Hmm..

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I also saw Bluegrass Cat and all the other rats you said would beat Bernardini, and they're no Bernardini.

So let me get this straight, because he lost by A LENGTH to Invasor, he's "nowhere near as good as Invasor"? Hmm..

The way I saw the race was the Bernardini got BEAT a lenght and that was with Invasor giving him 4 pounds.

[31lengths]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I also saw Bluegrass Cat and all the other rats you said would beat Bernardini, and they're no Bernardini.

So let me get this straight, because he lost by A LENGTH to Invasor, he's "nowhere near as good as Invasor"? Hmm..

Sounds like Bernardini is the only horse that ever lost a race....

Originally Posted by 31lengths

Sounds like Bernardini is the only horse that ever lost a race....

They all lose(except Personal Ensign). Thats kinda the point.
Ghostzapper never got spoken about with the sheer obnoxious attitude that Berns' fans had. Even to the end, some had doubts about the mile and a quarter.
Ironically, Ateam was the guy on our old board who was his biggest outright supporter. I myself had a little doubt about GZ and the 10 furlongs. But after I saw that race, I was just convinced he was the best horse i ever saw.

The way Bern was spoken about by his fans, and the way that those with doubts about him were spoken to is the issue. In reality 31 lengths? Honestly? I wish he was running next year. He may have been a Bid, and Affirmed, or a Zapper. But we won't ever know.
This was never really about bern the horse, it was just like the USC fans last year, just so over the top that you had to hate them even if you really didn't.

Personally, I disliked the horse himself
he's a real ass, and owned by the sand monkeys

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Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

and owned by the sand monkeys

this is not right. i am a long-time opponent of bernardini fans and the horse's ownership. but terms like that are just plain racist and have no place on this board. if you want to be a racist....fine there are plenty of racist websites around. go join one.
this is a horse racing board.....where everyone who loves horse racing should feel welcome. ignorant and pejorative terms like "sand monkey" do not belong here.

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Well hes either got no heart or hes nowhere near as good as Invasor is or as good as everyone said he was, its gotta be one or the other.
Know who oughta be shot? Anyone who ever dared compare him to Ghostzapper.
Ghostzapper would have urinated on him and left him a mile behind. I saw Ghostzapper, and Bernadini is no Ghostzapper.

You are right. Bernardini raced more than 2.6x in a year and was a 3yr old. Ghostzapper is the most overrated horse in the last decade. The horse had a grand total of 1 win at 10f or longer in an entire career. 3 at 9f or longer. Wow. That is great. A career with 3 wins at 9f or longer.

In 4 seasons Ghostzapper raced 11 times. What a champion. LOL.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

overkill, dont' you think?
that's as bad as hutchinsons pal down here saying if you aren't a razorback fan you're a communist. apparently i was unaware that i was a commie. glad it's been set straight for me.

Zieg I'm just catching up on the board now but this is a stone cold riot!!! LOL!!!
I'm reading all these posts by delusional people who are explaining like he didn't really lose or that hes still just as good as advertised, and then they are getting mad at folks telling it like it is?
Lemme see if I got this figured out Zieg, apparently Bern is still just as good as Spectacular Bid or Ghostzapper, so I guess that makes Invasor a real life version of the fabled Pegasus, the horse with wings who could fly.
This is absolutely the funniest thing I ever saw in my life, truly.
Fact is he wasn't even Barbaro, and had Barbaro not been injured he would have bitch slapped him as well.
Invasor will now forever me my favorite horse of all time, replacing Personal Ensign, for had it not been for Invasor we'd have listen to delusinal rantings about this "best horse who ever looked through a bridle" for years.

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Zieg I'm just catching up on the board now but this is a stone cold riot!!! LOL!!!
I'm reading all these posts by delusional people who are explaining like he didn't really lose or that hes still just as good as advertised, and then they are getting mad at folks telling it like it is?
Lemme see if I got this figured out Zieg, apparently Bern is still just as good as Spectacular Bid or Ghostzapper, so I guess that makes Invasor a real life version of the fabled Pegasus, the horse with wings who could fly.
This is absolutely the funniest thing I ever saw in my life, truly.
Fact is he wasn't even Barbaro, and had Barbaro not been injured he would have bitch slapped him as well.
Invasor will now forever me my favorite horse of all time, replacing Personal Ensign, for had it not been for Invasor we'd have listen to delusinal rantings about this "best horse who ever looked through a bridle" for years.

no, the funniest argument i've seen so far is that the beyers are a fraud. that bernardini didn't run his usual race...it's all a big conspiracy. bernardini ran his usual race, which was good--but the competition this time was better--a LOT better. puts bernardinis year into perspective. i really feel better now about all the sh!t i took all year about 'not being a fan' when i said wait til he's done. well, he's done, and he's as good as i thought he was. and not as great as others thought.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

no, the funniest argument i've seen so far is that the beyers are a fraud. that bernardini didn't run his usual race...it's all a big conspiracy. bernardini ran his usual race, which was good--but the competition this time was better--a LOT better. puts bernardinis year into perspective. i really feel better now about all the sh!t i took all year about 'not being a fan' when i said wait til he's done. well, he's done, and he's as good as i thought he was. and not as great as others thought.

Lee Harvey Oswald made the beyer figures, lol.
I tried to tell everyone, and posted it one thousand times, but noone gets it or at least very few get it.
Ragozin did a study years ago, found horses ALWAYS ran their lifetime best numbers in "easy wins". The whole fallacy(cough cough Eurobounce, revolution, Betsy, ahem) that a horse who wins with no pressure could go faster is exactly that, a total fallacy. Its a lot harder to run fast when someone gets in your face. And I personally don't think that him not being as good as Invasor is the only issue, he didn't even offer token resistance when eyeballed, he surrendered in a fashion that would make even the French Army proud. I predicted he was a bully who when eyeballed would fold all year long, and I posted it a thousand times. He got eyeballed, and he didn't even try to fight back.

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Lee Harvey Oswald made the beyer figures, lol.
I tried to tell everyone, and posted it one thousand times, but noone gets it or at least very few get it.
Ragozin did a study years ago, found horses ALWAYS ran their lifetime best numbers in "easy wins". The whole fallacy(cough cough Eurobounce, revolution, Betsy, ahem) that a horse who wins with no pressure could go faster is exactly that, a total fallacy. Its a lot harder to run fast when someone gets in your face. And I personally don't think that him not being as good as Invasor is the only issue, he didn't even offer token resistance when eyeballed, he surrendered in a fashion that would make even the French Army proud. I predicted he was a bully who when eyeballed would fold all year long, and I posted it a thousand times. He got eyeballed, and he didn't even try to fight back.

yeah, i know it....the whole handridden easily thing. i tried as well, others did too. everyone has to find out on their own i guess. you see horses win a race after setting quick early fractions...then next time out, they set the same fractions and fold and people are surprised--but that next time, they weren't alone on the lead. energy exerted when another horse is beside them is not the same as when they're alone. time might be the same, but the horse IS working harder. and it shows at the end.

i can't believe that the horse was set at even money, and i can't believe anyone would single him. and i really, really, can't believe that anyone really feels bernardini didn't run his race. he did. but it was against seasoned veterans, some of the best in the world.
and i really expected a response when invasor came up on him. i wanted to see a fight to the wire. didn't happen.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

yeah, i know it....the whole handridden easily thing. i tried as well, others did too. everyone has to find out on their own i guess. you see horses win a race after setting quick early fractions...then next time out, they set the same fractions and fold and people are surprised--but that next time, they weren't alone on the lead. energy exerted when another horse is beside them is not the same as when they're alone. time might be the same, but the horse IS working harder. and it shows at the end.

i can't believe that the horse was set at even money, and i can't believe anyone would single him. and i really, really, can't believe that anyone really feels bernardini didn't run his race. he did. but it was against seasoned veterans, some of the best in the world.
and i really expected a response when invasor came up on him. i wanted to see a fight to the wire. didn't happen.

Actually I knew it was over turning for home. I could see that Jara had a handful and the biggest tipoff was that he didn't angle even wider on the turn and panic and go full bore. He waited until they were straightened away and when he threw that first cross you could see Invasor just attack.
I was screaming loudly"The paper tiger is DONE!!!!" over and over again before he even actually collared him because there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna go by.
Whats sickening is that anybody is even attempting to make an excuse fro bern. Had he won the race we'd have to listen to how he was the greatest horse ever, blah blah blah just like we just did for 3 months. Yet Invasor wins 4 grade ones in 4 US starts at 4 different racetracks, including a BC where he was forced to miss his last and very important prep and he still crushed them. Where is the love for this horse and the fine job that Kiarin Mclaughlin and his staff did? Are you ****ing kidding me? I mean, everyone gushes over Albertrani all year long, and he gets to get his prep race in unhindered while kiarin has to sit with Invasor(due to the cough ) and hes gotta train up a horse who hasn't run since the frigging first week of August, and he doesn't get the love? Imagine anyone having the nerve to call me biased when its pretty obvious that you only get love on here if someone knows you personally and thinks you are cool. No unbiased objective guy making an analysis would call what Kiarin and Invasor did anything short of spectacular. Kiarin deserves major props.

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Actually I knew it was over turning for home. I could see that Jara had a handful and the biggest tipoff was that he didn't angle even wider on the turn and panic and go full bore. He waited until they were straightened away and when he threw that first cross you could see Invasor just attack.
I was screaming loudly"The paper tiger is DONE!!!!" over and over again before he even actually collared him because there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna go by.
Whats sickening is that anybody is even attempting to make an excuse fro bern. Had he won the race we'd have to listen to how he was the greatest horse ever, blah blah blah just like we just did for 3 months. Yet Invasor wins 4 grade ones in 4 US starts at 4 different racetracks, including a BC where he was forced to miss his last and very important prep and he still crushed them. Where is the love for this horse and the fine job that Kiarin Mclaughlin and his staff did? Are you ****ing kidding me? I mean, everyone gushes over Albertrani all year long, and he gets to get his prep race in unhindered while kiarin has to sit with Invasor(due to the cough ) and hes gotta train up a horse who hasn't run since the frigging first week of August, and he doesn't get the love? Imagine anyone having the nerve to call me biased when its pretty obvious that you only get love on here if someone knows you personally and thinks you are cool. No unbiased objective guy making an analysis would call what Kiarin and Invasor did anything short of spectacular. Kiarin deserves major props.

kieran did an excellent job, as did jara. i know a couple weeks ago, some said he shouldn't be on for the big day. but i knew he'd do ok. invasor is good, he'd have to be to have the year he's had--and all this after shipping up from the souther hemi, and then to dubai and back. some of our cupcakes over here would never be seen again after shipping 'round the world and back like that. been high on him all year, and i've been kicking myself for not getting a bet on him at that price!! damned rules in this state....

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i thought songster was your favorite....lol..he dini didint spit the bit when challenged.....you and your gut check bs is laughable..he made his run to early..and jara made his at the right time..thats it....the fact that he skipped the prep to this made alot of sense..he had a fresh horse..congrats to invasor...but hes not any better than a lenth..at least on this day..sun king who got to invasor late ..where was he..

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Actually I knew it was over turning for home. I could see that Jara had a handful and the biggest tipoff was that he didn't angle even wider on the turn and panic and go full bore. He waited until they were straightened away and when he threw that first cross you could see Invasor just attack.
I was screaming loudly"The paper tiger is DONE!!!!" over and over again before he even actually collared him because there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna go by.
Whats sickening is that anybody is even attempting to make an excuse fro bern. Had he won the race we'd have to listen to how he was the greatest horse ever, blah blah blah just like we just did for 3 months. Yet Invasor wins 4 grade ones in 4 US starts at 4 different racetracks, including a BC where he was forced to miss his last and very important prep and he still crushed them. Where is the love for this horse and the fine job that Kiarin Mclaughlin and his staff did? Are you ****ing kidding me? I mean, everyone gushes over Albertrani all year long, and he gets to get his prep race in unhindered while kiarin has to sit with Invasor(due to the cough ) and hes gotta train up a horse who hasn't run since the frigging first week of August, and he doesn't get the love? Imagine anyone having the nerve to call me biased when its pretty obvious that you only get love on here if someone knows you personally and thinks you are cool. No unbiased objective guy making an analysis would call what Kiarin and Invasor did anything short of spectacular. Kiarin deserves major props.

Pick a side, buddy. Either Bernardini was an overrated piece of **** or he was awesome for running second to a monster like Invasor. You don't get to denigrate Bernardini until the cows come home, then talk up Invasor. It doesn't work like that.

If Jara had so much horse, how is it that a lack of heart was what did in Bernardini? Which ****ing one is it? Either Invasor was tons the best and Bernardini ran huge as well or they both are slow!

And yeah, unbiased is definitely a word I would use to describe you. The guy who has never seen Pletcher or Dutrow or anybody he thinks he knows make a bad move ever. The guy who's done everything but sneak into Bernardini's barn and poison him at night. You're unbiased. You've been sucking Dutrow off for years and recently started on the Pletcher bandwagon because you "know" them, but now, no one else is allowed to do the same after they get to know Albertrani. You're a total hypocrite.

Aren't you the man, too, for shouting "The paper tiger is done!" I'm sure you were the toast of the town and looked just as cool and sane as you always do when watching a race..

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i can't believe that the horse was set at even money, and i can't believe anyone would single him. and i really, really, can't believe that anyone really feels bernardini didn't run his race. he did. but it was against seasoned veterans, some of the best in the world.
and i really expected a response when invasor came up on him. i wanted to see a fight to the wire. didn't happen.

Ah yes, another postrace genius. I'm sure if the horse had won by 10, you'd still be criticizing anyone who bet him at even money or singled him.

All of this lack of heart stuff is absolute nonsense. If it hadn't been Bernardini on the rail, but Lava Man or one of the other Derby Trail heroes, you'd all be singing the same tune, right? That he folded? Of course you would.