I'll Have Another's pending retirement...?

#1 05-21-2012, 06:17 AM

This is a unique situation. The horse has an owner who has the deep pockets from a business that is high risk without the thugs to break people's arms and legs.

He could cut his nuts off for all we know.

VOL JACK · #2 05-21-2012, 08:33 AM

I think being by Flower Alley will help keep him in training.

If he was by Distorted Humor himself. He might have more interests from the stud farms.

slotdirt · #3 05-21-2012, 08:41 AM

I took a look at Flower Alley's Stallion Register page yesterday for kicks, and aside from I'll Have Another, it's really not much.

Merlinsky · #4 05-22-2012, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I took a look at Flower Alley's Stallion Register page yesterday for kicks, and aside from I'll Have Another, it's really not much.

It's not like he's gotten the best book his first 2 or 3 years at stud. I'm skimming through the list of progeny and so far the most notable broodmare I've noticed is Regal Pennant, 2nd dam of Rockport Harbor and 1st dam of the much ballyhooed (on And They're Off) and little accomplished LeftyLenytheLegend, named after Lenny Shulman. Maybe I'm missing something but most of the rest of them don't ring a bell. "Leny" was the result of Regal Pennant's breeding with Flower Alley. I'm sure Leny's career was thwarted by the burden of his namesake.

Lilacs and Lace was sold to the Japanese right after the KY Oaks and bred to Henrythenavigator so her 3yo career basically came to a screeching halt. That needs to be taken into consideration when looking at her record. (Incidentally, the Japanese also bought Princess Olivia, dam of Flower Alley, and she produced a G2 SW in Japan who was inbred to Goofed like FA, although this time not through different progeny, just Lyphard.)

Hopefully he's seeing an improvement on the mares going to him even this year, but it'll be what, 2014 or 2015 before we see the impact of that. We haven't even gotten to see the results of what happened when Birdstone had that banner year in 2009. His first 2yos from the book he got in 2010 won't show up til next year. It takes time and while Flower Alley and Birdstone are hardly AP Indy and Storm Cat right now, or even Bernardini and Tapit, they've got promise based on what they achieved versus what they were maybe expected to achieve. Let's see what they do with better mares before we judge.

VOL JACK · #5 05-22-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

It's not like he's gotten the best book his first 2 or 3 years at stud. I'm skimming through the list of progeny and so far the most notable broodmare I've noticed is Regal Pennant, 2nd dam of Rockport Harbor and 1st dam of the much ballyhooed (on And They're Off) and little accomplished LeftyLenytheLegend, named after Lenny Shulman. Maybe I'm missing something but most of the rest of them don't ring a bell. "Leny" was the result of Regal Pennant's breeding with Flower Alley. I'm sure Leny's career was thwarted by the burden of his namesake.

Lilacs and Lace was sold to the Japanese right after the KY Oaks and bred to Henrythenavigator so her 3yo career basically came to a screeching halt. That needs to be taken into consideration when looking at her record. (Incidentally, the Japanese also bought Princess Olivia, dam of Flower Alley, and she produced a G2 SW in Japan who was inbred to Goofed like FA, although this time not through different progeny, just Lyphard.)

Hopefully he's seeing an improvement on the mares going to him even this year, but it'll be what, 2014 or 2015 before we see the impact of that. We haven't even gotten to see the results of what happened when Birdstone had that banner year in 2009. His first 2yos from the book he got in 2010 won't show up til next year. It takes time and while Flower Alley and Birdstone are hardly AP Indy and Storm Cat right now, or even Bernardini and Tapit, they've got promise based on what they achieved versus what they were maybe expected to achieve. Let's see what they do with better mares before we judge.

Birdstone had a Derby winner, Preakness runner-up, Belmont winner, Haskell runner-up and, Travers winner in his first crop.

None of which has been accomplished by Bernardini, who is all the rage, while Birdstone has disappeared.

MaTH716 · #6 05-21-2012, 08:42 AM

I think he finishes out his 3 year campaign. After that it's a crapshoot, but for some reason I feel like Reddam would bring him back as a 4 year old.

Grey Lag · #7 05-21-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I think being by Flower Alley will help keep him in training.

If he was by Distorted Humor himself. He might have more interests from the stud farms.

Yeah I doubt that the stud farms would be interested in a triple crown winner with a Distorted Humor-Kris S. cross. Maybe they should just geld him and use him as Lava Man's backup.

As for not being impressed with Flower Alley's sire page, well I'm pretty impressed to see a 3 time Grade I winner and potential triple crown winner in only his second crop of foals.

#8 05-21-2012, 01:43 PM

Wow aren't you confident. You should buy him since you've got it all figured out.

He might be a terrible sire. Might shoot blanks. Just because he can run a little under the care of a magician doesn't equal shed success.

Grey Lag · #9 05-21-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Wow aren't you confident. You should buy him since you've got it all figured out.

He might be a terrible sire. Might shoot blanks. Just because he can run a little under the care of a magician doesn't equal shed success.

Of course not but that won't affect his initial stud fees. Cigar was sterile but he was sold to stud for $25 million.

But to say that there would be less interest in him for studbecause Distorted Humor was his grandsire and not his sire is beyond ridiculous.

slotdirt · #10 05-21-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey Lag

Of course not but that won't affect his initial stud fees. Cigar was sterile but he was sold to stud for $25 million.

But to say that there would be less interest in him for studbecause Distorted Humor was his grandsire and not his sire is beyond ridiculous.

You're really on a roll for your first day.

Grey Lag · #11 05-21-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

You're really on a roll for your first day.

Just ignore me then. Please.

pmayjr · #12 05-21-2012, 02:31 PM

Does it really matter what his bloodlines are? If he wins the TC Reddam will get offered plenty of millions.

I want you guys to be right about continuing to run, but all it will take is some Smarty Jones "hoof bruising" as an excuse to retire him.

slotdirt · #13 05-21-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey Lag

Of course not but that won't affect his initial stud fees. Cigar was sterile but he was sold to stud for $25 million.

But to say that there would be less interest in him for studbecause Distorted Humor was his grandsire and not his sire is beyond ridiculous.

So what you're saying is that the breeding world is psyched for I'll Have Another because his grandsire is Distorted Humor? Do you really believe that?

Indian Charlie · #14 05-21-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey Lag

Yeah I doubt that the stud farms would be interested in a triple crown winner with a Distorted Humor-Kris S. cross. Maybe they should just geld him and use him as Lava Man's backup.

As for not being impressed with Flower Alley's sire page, well I'm pretty impressed to see a 3 time Grade I winner and potential triple crown winner in only his second crop of foals.

Are you as equally impressed with the nothing else he's done?

NTamm1215 · #15 05-21-2012, 03:45 PM

I bet you could have stunned numerous people by telling them that I'll Have Another was not Flower Alley's first Grade I winner.

Grey Lag · #16 05-21-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Are you as equally impressed with the nothing else he's done?

Like Grade I winner Lilacs and Lace? For only two foal crops, yes very impressed.

slotdirt · #17 05-21-2012, 04:03 PM

Yes, since GI winners on synthetics are always proof of a sire's greatness.

#18 05-21-2012, 04:24 PM

I'm already reading the comparisons to Secretariat. Hope I can not poke my eyes out the next 3 weeks.

blackthroatedwind · #19 05-21-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey Lag

Like Grade I winner Lilacs and Lace? For only two foal crops, yes very impressed.

She won a bogus synthetic Grade 1. Surely you aren't hanging your hat on her brilliant race record.

Grey Lag · #20 05-21-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

She won a bogus synthetic Grade 1. Surely you aren't hanging your hat on her brilliant race record.

What am I hanging my hat on? I never said that Flower Alley was the next coming of Nasrullah. I responded to a ridiculous post which tried to say that being out of Flower Alley would keep a triple crown winner in training since there would be a lack of interest from the stud farms.