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Old 05-19-2012, 10:30 PM
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He not only finished 10th of 11...he looked really really bad doing it...watch the blimp replay.
He made it stop pretty good !
He ran horrible. He also ran on 2 weeks rest after running a big race in one of the toughest races run on dirt in the world. To conclude that he is turf only horse off one race is ludicrous. Creative Cause got his a$$ handed to him by the 2 best three year old route horses in training today too, is he not a dirt horse?
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Old 05-20-2012, 02:03 AM
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He ran horrible. He also ran on 2 weeks rest after running a big race in one of the toughest races run on dirt in the world. To conclude that he is turf only horse off one race is ludicrous. Creative Cause got his a$$ handed to him by the 2 best three year old route horses in training today too, is he not a dirt horse?
Watch the replay....CC at least had the appearance of a horse running in a race...with quite another gap back to Rickey D's horse. Bodemeister ran 6 races in a day and a half, the one before this in the same race that WTDW ran in...What's his excuse for runnin lites out?

WTDW will do much better on the grass at Saratoga? Well, he'd better run on something where these 2 ain't cuz that plan's not working out too well, and grass would be good....but he'd better up his game there too, cuz there are TONS of 3yo grassers out there licking their chops
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Old 05-20-2012, 02:35 AM
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Watch the replay....CC at least had the appearance of a horse running in a race...with quite another gap back to Rickey D's horse. Bodemeister ran 6 races in a day and a half, the one before this in the same race that WTDW ran in...What's his excuse for runnin lites out?

WTDW will do much better on the grass at Saratoga? Well, he'd better run on something where these 2 ain't cuz that plan's not working out too well, and grass would be good....but he'd better up his game there too, cuz there are TONS of 3yo grassers out there licking their chops
You said you hope the dirt experiment was over as if the connections are crazy for running him on dirt. Today's performance while not very good does not mean the connections made a bad choice. If anything I think they should have skipped the Preakness and ran in the Belmont. But they found out today is that there are two horses much better than theirs.

Creative Cause is a nice horse but was soundly defeated by the top two and not in their tier.

I guess your avatar represents the Monday morning quarterback you have been after the race was run today.
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Old 05-20-2012, 12:43 PM
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Creative Cause got his a$$ handed to him by the 2 best three year old route horses in training today too, is he not a dirt horse?
Creative Cause was well beaten but he did get a 102 BSF for the Preakness, which matched his best in the San Felipe.
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Old 05-21-2012, 07:38 AM
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Most people who own horses don't consider going from 5th to 3rd 'sliding back" when you are running in similar company.

CC went back to Cali while Bode went straight to Baltimore.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:11 AM
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I think Creative Cause is just a cut below. No shame in that.
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:12 AM
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I thought I noticed quite a bit of sweating on WTDW right before he was loaded in the gate. I had him boxed with IHA and knew it was over for that exacta.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:29 AM
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Most people who own horses don't consider going from 5th to 3rd 'sliding back" when you are running in similar company.

CC went back to Cali while Bode went straight to Baltimore.

Except he got beat by 9, considering how close he has been to these two prior, I would consider that sliding back. I also
stated the ship may have been the reason, I know Bode and IHA stayed put, hence the reason for my post
to begin with.
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Old 05-21-2012, 10:52 AM
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Agreed Laharge but once a horse is clearly not going to contend with the top two there is no reason to ride him hard to be closer to them. He had 3rd locked up so there was no reason for him to be ridden hard late, though if he had, he might have been closer.

Two weeks rest, plus two long flights could have caused a regression. I think CC might be better than what he showed on Sat. relative to the top pair.
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Except he got beat by 9, considering how close he has been to these two prior, I would consider that sliding back. I also
stated the ship may have been the reason, I know Bode and IHA stayed put, hence the reason for my post
to begin with.
Sure, it could be a reason, but isn't it more likely he was beaten 9 lengths because he pressed a superior horse too early?
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:31 PM
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Creative Cause was well beaten but he did get a 102 BSF for the Preakness, which matched his best in the San Felipe.
Creative Cause got a 95 Beyer Speed figure for his Preakness effort.
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:41 PM
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Creative Cause got a 95 Beyer Speed figure for his Preakness effort.
Thank you for the correction. I should stop relying on DRF message boards without double checking.
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Old 05-21-2012, 02:46 PM
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I never got the fascination with Ice Box either.
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Thank you for the correction. I should stop relying on DRF message boards without double checking.
DRF doesn't have a message board.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:16 PM
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DRF doesn't have a message board.
There are comments sections at the bottom of every article. So yeah, not technically a message board. But you nailed me so good for you.
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Old 05-21-2012, 03:17 PM
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Look at the bottom of every article.
Those are comments. Most of them pretty uninformed. As you have offered.

This is a message board.
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