Albany ups power play; State, Legislature, NYRA announce mgmt. deal

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

It was only a matter of time before legislatures removed the expensive horse part of the equation so they could get more money, no shock. NYRA just gave them a reason.

NYRA didn't give them a reason. They were going to find a reason no matter what was really happening. The funny thing is the NYRWB was supposed to know about the takeout reduction too, but they are being let off scot-free. If it wasn't that, it would have been jockey weight-gate or maitre d' gate or something else stupid. I'm not saying the takeout mistake was as minor as those, but in the grand scheme of things the amount was trivial.

[10 pnt move up]

True, in the letter they listed three bullet points so I am sure they were just waiting to pounce.

[pba1817]

Looks to me like if the people at NYRA would have followed the terms as they agreed, and would have not ripped off the betting public, this probably would have been avoided... icing on the cake appears to be the promotion of the people who were at the helm when the takeout "issue" was going on.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Looks to me like if the people at NYRA would have followed the terms as they agreed, and would have not ripped off the betting public, this probably would have been avoided... icing on the cake appears to be the promotion of the people who were at the helm when the takeout "issue" was going on.

Are they canning the entire NYRWB too?

[pba1817]

I don't know, are they?

All I know is what is written in the articles and the documents. As an outsider, it doesn't look particularly good for the NYRA people. I realize most articles are written to sway perception in a certain direction.

NYRA just seems to be in a **** storm all the time...

[The Bid]

They were knowingly stealing bettors money. Whatever happens to them and the franchise is well deserved. Each individual that was knowingly involved should also get jail time, starting with Hayward, and extending through the entire NYRA. Whether there is a political agenda or not, thats inconsequential. The fact is they were stealing, and knew they were doing it.

[dino]

NY is the king of the handout states. Somebody has to pay for all the handouts you Liberals want so why not take over racing and rape it like they rape the rest of us NYer's?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dino

NY is the king of the handout states. Somebody has to pay for all the handouts you Liberals want so why not take over racing and rape it like they rape the rest of us NYer's?

Thanks so much for clarifying this. The dumbass that I am mistook this for glorified extortion by politicions seeing a window of opportunity and seizing it. And you present the perfect solution, simply insure we have republicans in office and this stuff would never happen... Thanks again.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dino

NY is the king of the handout states. Somebody has to pay for all the handouts you Liberals want so why not take over racing and rape it like they rape the rest of us NYer's?

If you hate NY so much, why don't you move someplace else? I hear Mississippi has a low tax burden.

[postpicker]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Are they canning the entire NYRWB too?

The present NYSRWB will be gone in October as it will be merged with the Lottery commission. The new commission will have an executive director and 7 members to oversee the Lottery and Racing, with 5 of the 7 members picked by Cuomo.

[Left Bank]

I wonder if Frank Stronach heard about this yet?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Looks to me like if the people at NYRA would have followed the terms as they agreed, and would have not ripped off the betting public, this probably would have been avoided... icing on the cake appears to be the promotion of the people who were at the helm when the takeout "issue" was going on.

Leave it to you to get the issue totally backwards.

Consequences for actions.....

Originally Posted by pba1817

Looks to me like if the people at NYRA would have followed the terms as they agreed, and would have not ripped off the betting public, this probably would have been avoided... icing on the cake appears to be the promotion of the people who were at the helm when the takeout "issue" was going on.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Looks to me like if the people at NYRA would have followed the terms as they agreed, and would have not ripped off the betting public, this probably would have been avoided... icing on the cake appears to be the promotion of the people who were at the helm when the takeout "issue" was going on.

You do realize that the people who sent NYRA the letter and ordered the lottery to withhold the money from NYRA are just as responsible, if not more, than NYRA for this error? Or are you just talking out of your a$$ as usual?

I wonder if the Inspector General is going to investigate the Racing and Wagering Board and the Oversight Panel as well to determine if there is any criminality with regard to their missing that the percentages should have been changed. Not likely to happen as this is clearly a witch hunt.

[richard]

Originally Posted by pointman

You do realize that the people who sent NYRA the letter and ordered the lottery to withhold the money from NYRA are just as responsible, if not more, than NYRA for this error? Or are you just talking out of your a$$ as usual?

I wonder if the Inspector General is going to investigate the Racing and Wagering Board and the Oversight Panel as well to determine if there is any criminality with regard to their missing that the percentages should have been changed. Not likely to happen as this is clearly a witch hunt.

Of course they should be investigated for possible criminal collusion. We'll see.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by pointman

You do realize that the people who sent NYRA the letter and ordered the lottery to withhold the money from NYRA are just as responsible, if not more, than NYRA for this error? Or are you just talking out of your a$$ as usual?

I wonder if the Inspector General is going to investigate the Racing and Wagering Board and the Oversight Panel as well to determine if there is any criminality with regard to their missing that the percentages should have been changed. Not likely to happen as this is clearly a witch hunt.

No I am not aware. As I said in my posts on the subject, the writer of the article and the letter to NYRA makes it appear that someone is not being legit in the crux on the matter. Which in all reality, when dealing with politicians and boards and oversights and etc, most all are not legit.

[pba1817]

At what point do you stop getting in bed with the state and run your business privately?

Once you accept the handout, or reimbursements, or whatever you like to call them, you are now dealing with the devil.

Was NYRA and their tracks a privately owned business at any point? With no state involvement or funding? If so, why is the state involved now?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by pba1817

At what point do you stop getting in bed with the state and run your business privately?

Once you accept the handout, or reimbursements, or whatever you like to call them, you are now dealing with the devil.

Was NYRA and their tracks a privately owned business at any point? With no state involvement or funding? If so, why is the state involved now?

State always had their hand in the various Associations pockets even pre-GNYRA (Greater New York Racing Association) when there were 4 separate entities. Albany has milked racing in this state endlessly and then added layers of patronage when afforded the opportunity in 1970 with the creation of the OTB system. At that point, by all rights, Albany began competing with NYRA and therein lies the source of all the problems the past 40 years.