NYTHA Lasix Primer & Letter to NYS RWB

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The problem with the questions like this is that it is impossible to isolate a single factor in the performance of a horse. The idea that a horseman can turn a horse off and on with milkshakes is silly. The entire premise that we can stop horses with a lower dose of lasix assumes that all other factors are not pertinent. A lot of what you and CJ want is answers that dont exist and will never exist because this is not an exact science regardless of how hard you scrutinize it.

It's not really a question of provability, though, is it? It's a question of intent and opportunity.

If the possiblity exists that bicarbonate loading affects performance, then ideally administering "milkshakes" should be prohibited.

If the possibility exists that altering the dose of lasix affects performance, then ideally the dose of lasix should be standardized (eg, by body weight) at the very least.

More lasix doesnt mean better treatment.

Two scenarios:

1) Your horse receives 150mg of lasix for a race. The horse wins. Post-race, the horse is found to have bled a Grade 3 (scale 0 to 4). Assuming no further complications, how do you treat the horse for its next start, at the same class level?

2) Your horse receives 150mg of lasix for a race. The horse runs poorly. Post-race, the horse is found to have bled a Grade 3. Assuming no further complications, how do you treat the horse for its next start, at the same class level?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

It's not really a question of provability, though, is it? It's a question of intent and opportunity.

If the possiblity exists that bicarbonate loading affects performance, then ideally administering "milkshakes" should be prohibited.

If the possibility exists that altering the dose of lasix affects performance, then ideally the dose of lasix should be standardized (eg, by body weight) at the very least.

The dose of lasix is standardized by body weight.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

The dose of lasix is standardized by body weight.

Not if the same horse can receive 150mg one race and 500mg the next.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Not if the same horse can receive 150mg one race and 500mg the next.

My. god. you. are. ignorant. Yes, the dose of lasix is determined by body weight. You are making imaginary scenarios up out of thin air.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

My. god. you. are. ignorant. Yes, the dose of lasix is determined by body weight.

So you are saying an individual horse gets the same amount of lasix each time it races?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

So you are saying an individual horse gets the same amount of lasix each time it races?

Nope. I said the dose is determined by body weight. Those are two different things, even keeping with your concern.

Try learning about what you are talking about, before you declare "how things are"?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nope. I said the dose is determined by body weight. Those are two different things, even keeping with your concern.

Try learning about what you are talking about, before you declare "how things are"?

You're the undisputed master at turning things on their heads and driving them into the ground.

What I said was that instead of allowing individual horses to receive a variable amount of lasix (3cc to 10cc), it would be more ideal to standardize the amount. That is to say, every horse would receive lasix at the same dosage--for example, 0.5mg/kg bw--every time it runs.

What you are arguing is anyone's guess.