Excellent article on declining Beyer's of 3yo's

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

IMO which is semi-educated though not nearly as proficent with numbers as guys like you and Doug, horses in general arent as good/fast as they were just 12 years ago when started training. Of course I have no actual data to back this up so I'm pretty much like the rest of the industry...lol

I'm not arguing one way or the other, just saying we don't really know. Any decline in figures is just as likely to be the result of figure making methodology as it is the horses, and the same goes for any increase in the figures.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm not arguing one way or the other, just saying we don't really know. Any decline in figures is just as likely to be the result of figure making methodology as it is the horses, and the same goes for any increase in the figures.

You are probably right which makes the case I was making in my original post even more valid. That far too often opinions are used as facts and in the rare incidences when facts are used they are often misinterpreted.

[The Bid]

no figure regardless of the maker will ever trump class as the most important handicapping tool. I could use any figure.. beyer, equibase, thoro, rag.. to me all of those are interchangeable. The class a horse carries is the benchmark for picking winners.

No figure is exact. They are all subjective and over rated as a tool to handicapping. I don't need Andy beyer or Len ragozin giving me their opinion when I'm gambling.

As for the significance of a slower beyer for today's horses... that's a laughable gauge of the breed