2011-2012 NHL playoff thread.

slotdirt · #1 05-07-2012, 03:34 PM

The only thing I'd say about the Ovechkin hit is that Girardi is looking Ovechkin square in the eyes when Ovechkin hits him. Ovechkin is just one big dude. Also, much more of a body check than the Giroux play.

But yes, Shanahan/NHL has been incredibly inconsistent this year. I think the issue is that his boss is Bettman and Bettman's bosses are the owners, and while suspending guys for infractions is what he's supposed to be doing, it's got to be difficult to do that with the dynamics of the situation (especially in the playoffs).

MaTH716 · #2 05-07-2012, 03:50 PM

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The only thing I'd say about the Ovechkin hit is that Girardi is looking Ovechkin square in the eyes when Ovechkin hits him. Ovechkin is just one big dude. Also, much more of a body check than the Giroux play.

But yes, Shanahan/NHL has been incredibly inconsistent this year. I think the issue is that his boss is Bettman and Bettman's bosses are the owners, and while suspending guys for infractions is what he's supposed to be doing, it's got to be difficult to do that with the dynamics of the situation (especially in the playoffs).

But if you look, Ovie actually goes to make the hit versus playing the loose puck (which is where I believe Girardi is looking). Like I said, the fact that Giroux did get suspended (which was warrented) and Ovie didn't even get called into the principal's office is the thing that makes my head shake.

Danzig · #3 05-07-2012, 04:08 PM

giroux deserved a game-it was blatant elbow directed at the head.
ovie? no, i don't think it did warrant a look. and knowing how shannie likes to review, i'm sure he'd have done something if it was called for.

slotdirt · #4 05-07-2012, 04:17 PM

Shea Weber didn't get called into the principal's office for slamming a guy's head into the turnbuckle; why would it be surprising that Ovechkin didn't get a call for a 93.7 percent legal check?

Again though, completely agree on the lack of consistency. I did think Giroux was much more blatant than Ovechkin though.

3kings · #5 05-07-2012, 05:20 PM

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Shea Weber didn't get called into the principal's office for slamming a guy's head into the turnbuckle; why would it be surprising that Ovechkin didn't get a call for a 93.7 percent legal check?

Again though, completely agree on the lack of consistency. I did think Giroux was much more blatant than Ovechkin though.

Weber had a hearing and was fined, just not suspended.
They say past hits impact the punishment. Giroux has no history and Ovechkin has had a number of questionable hits. Shanahan has a tough job but he sucks at it.

The Bid · #6 05-07-2012, 05:30 PM

As physical as Shannahan played I'm shocked that he's been such a puss at his job

Clip-Clop · #7 05-07-2012, 05:34 PM

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But if you look, Ovie actually goes to make the hit versus playing the loose puck (which is where I believe Girardi is looking). Like I said, the fact that Giroux did get suspended (which was warrented) and Ovie didn't even get called into the principal's office is the thing that makes my head shake.

I haven't yet nailed down why but it seems like the NHL is against the idea of the Rangers moving on. Caps have had late PP's in any game that is tied or they are trailing. The fact that this didn't get a second look is just another point.

slotdirt · #8 05-07-2012, 05:48 PM

I don't believe Weber actually had an official disciplinary hearing, which I don't believe is necessary via the CBA to fine a guy. I think Shanny just called and said "don't do that again" and that was the extent of the "hearing."

golfer · #9 05-07-2012, 05:57 PM

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I haven't yet nailed down why but it seems like the NHL is against the idea of the Rangers moving on. Caps have had late PP's in any game that is tied or they are trailing. The fact that this didn't get a second look is just another point.

I can't figure it out either. It can't be Shanahan, who played here. Colin Cambell? Unlikely, it's not Daly, Bettmans right hand man, as I heard him say he grew up a Ranger fan. So that leaves only Bettman himself.
One or two horrible calls/non calls against the Rangers can be written off as coincidence, but it's gone far beyond that IMO.

Clip-Clop · #10 05-07-2012, 06:01 PM

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I can't figure it out either. It can't be Shanahan, who played here. Colin Cambell? Unlikely, it's not Daly, Bettmans right hand man, as I heard him say he grew up a Ranger fan. So that leaves only Bettman himself.
One or two horrible calls/non calls against the Rangers can be written off as coincidence, but it's gone far beyond that IMO.

For me it comes down to the timing AND the awfulness of the calls. Lets hope for a blowout this evening.

MaTH716 · #11 05-07-2012, 09:22 PM

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I haven't yet nailed down why but it seems like the NHL is against the idea of the Rangers moving on. Caps have had late PP's in any game that is tied or they are trailing. The fact that this didn't get a second look is just another point.

I don't believe that there's a conspiracy theory against the Rangers, if anything you would think the opposite and the NHL would want them to go far.
I'm just confused about the inconstistency of Mr. Shannahan's office. I really believe that the Ovie hit was borderline, but if he follows the path that he has taken during the post season so far, there should have at least been a hearing.

MaTH716 · #12 05-07-2012, 10:33 PM

Un-Belieeeeeeeevable.......................

slotdirt · #13 05-08-2012, 09:14 AM

Joel Ward from hero to goat. Still, Holtby needs to secure that rebound with under seven seconds to go. Richards just beat him to the puck.

MaTH716 · #14 05-08-2012, 09:38 AM

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Joel Ward from hero to goat. Still, Holtby needs to secure that rebound with under seven seconds to go. Richards just beat him to the puck.

I don't blame Holtby at all. He made the first two saves including one that was deflected. I think Carlson has to take some blame, it was 6 on 4 with the Rangers being on the PP and having the goalie pulled and he jumped into the net behind Holtby making it in essence a 6-3. At that point someone should have tackled Richards. Even if they took another penalty, it would have came down to a face off with about 4 seconds left.

I'll admit that I was in absolute shock at the thought of going back to Washington down 3-2 in a game where the Rangers seemed to dominate.

Danzig · #15 05-08-2012, 10:04 AM

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I haven't yet nailed down why but it seems like the NHL is against the idea of the Rangers moving on. Caps have had late PP's in any game that is tied or they are trailing. The fact that this didn't get a second look is just another point.

in the marathon triple ot game the other night, the rangers were the ones with two pp's in two ot periods. caps had none.

Danzig · #16 05-08-2012, 10:06 AM

missed watching the game last night, which is probably a good thing. had a lions club fundraiser-what poor timing!
anyway, hopefully we can even the series in d.c. tomorrow.

Clip-Clop · #17 05-08-2012, 12:21 PM

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in the marathon triple ot game the other night, the rangers were the ones with two pp's in two ot periods. caps had none.

No but they did get one with 3 mins left in regulation...again.

Danzig · #18 05-08-2012, 01:19 PM

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No but they did get one with 3 mins left in regulation...again.

my point was that there's no bias, which is why i posted that.

Clip-Clop · #19 05-08-2012, 01:33 PM

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my point was that there's no bias, which is why i posted that.

That would be true if the Rangers PP were worth a damn, until waaay late in the game last night it was just two minutes off the clock where the other team is less likely to get a good scoring chance.
3 games in the series the Caps have tied or taken a lead on a 3rd period PP. I stand by my bias claim, though I am biased.

declansharbor · #20 05-08-2012, 01:27 PM

I havent seen the Flyers outskated/outplayed like this in a long time. It's like NJ has 7 players on the ice to our 5. The defense has been atrocious and if it werent for Bryz, we'd be getting beat by 5 goals a game.

With that said, i like them to rally around the loss of G tonight for a hard fought win. Look for Hartsy and Co. to come out finishing checks and scrappin along the boards, something we've strayed from in this series. With a win tonight, we can gain some momentum back in our favor, get the shot in the arm with G playing like a man on fire in game 6, with Game 7 up for grabs to the hungriest team. Wishful thinking, but this team has been in this position before and isnt out of it until the horn sounds. NOW, IF WE CAN ONLY TAKE OUR COLLECTIVE HEADS FROM OUR ASSES.