Derby '12: Did We Learn Anyhting?

[clambeau]

Leparoux's and easy goat to blame but Castellano didn't exactly set blazing fractions when he rode him either...This time it's the horse, not the jockey.
(Note I said THIS time)

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by clambeau

Leparoux's and easy goat to blame but Castellano didn't exactly set blazing fractions when he rode him either...This time it's the horse, not the jockey.
(Note I said THIS time)

Probably the trainer too. This horse seems to have had the speed trained out of him.

[letswastemoney]

If Union Rags' odds were a bit more fair, I'd be willing to try using him. I have no faith that I will ever get decent odds on Union Rags though, not with his large fanbase.

[clambeau]

Yeah...I don't think Matz is doing UR any favors....Barbaro is the big elephant sittin in that barn, whether anyone admits it or not, and that alone gotta account for a big % of his fan base

I hear over & over..."He knows how to get a horse prepped to win the Derby"....No, he knew how to get Barbaro prepped to win the Derby...

Maybe he'll win another down the road but right now, that barn is goin in the wrong direction..

Let the hate mail begin, eh..

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by clambeau

I hear over & over..."He knows how to get a horse prepped to win the Derby"....No, he knew how to get Barbaro prepped to win the Derby...

I'm not even sure about that. The horse was just that good that it didn't matter.

[clambeau]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm not even sure about that. The horse was just that good that it didn't matter.

I didn't want to say it, but since you did....I have to agree

[clambeau]

If we take away the Barbaro factor....we take away the plane crash deal....we take away Matz's Equestrian medals...we take away the ol cigar-smokin lady in the scooter......Does Union Rags odds go from 9/2 to 10 or 12-1? Seems strange but I thiink they do....and none of those things has anything to do with Union Rags....it all seems strange to me

I learned that there's not gonna be a TC winner this year again. Baffert will have to settle for 2/3 like he did with Real Quiet.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm not even sure about that. The horse was just that good that it didn't matter.

Exactly!

I thought the only way Barbaro would lose the Derby is if his trainer got him beat.

That horse was a lot better than most people realized.