5/5 (CD): 138th Kentucky Derby (G1), 5 Undercard Stakes

Originally Posted by helicopter11

If Patrick Valenzuela had not "retired" from racing late 2011, what were the chances of he getting the mount on I'll have Another. Since J Paul Reddam is the President of Cash Call and P. Val is the walking,talking bilboard for them. 3 crooks in the winner circle

Yeah it's outstanding a loan shark won the derby. Fortunately that fat hack for the times won't report that.

[tector]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah it's outstanding a loan shark won the derby. Fortunately that fat hack for the times won't report that.

Aside from the jockey angle, the rest of the connections are puke-inducing. Drug O'Neill and his slimy, toad-like owner. Actually I wish somebody "mainstream" would focus on it, since sleazes like these get excused away among "horse people". Hell, they are upper-crust.

[slotdirt]

Four times O'Neill has had horses test positive for milkshaking. Four! Like I said yesterday, it will be fun reading the NYT's next expose on racing; the Derby may have done their writing for them.

[South Beach Luv]

HRTV's Jon White had the winner pegged, if he is on the air today over/under on how many times he mentions it?

[Travis Stone]

Of all the races yesterday, I particularly enjoyed everyone letting proven, wire-to-wire race stealer Little Mike just completely walk on the lead without any opposition at all. In fact, it also happened in the American Turf on Friday.

[The Bart]

Originally Posted by South Beach Luv

HRTV's Jon White had the winner pegged, if he is on the air today over/under on how many times he mentions it?

The only reason Jon White isn't the best handicapper on this site is because he doesn't post on this site!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Four times O'Neill has had horses test positive for milkshaking. Four! Like I said yesterday, it will be fun reading the NYT's next expose on racing; the Derby may have done their writing for them.

Sounds like he fits right in to me.

[NTamm1215]

Matz had some pretty pointed remarks about Union Rags' trip this morning when Caton Bredar interviewed him. Perhaps he's beginning to realize that Julien Leparoux is a TERRIBLE fit for that horse.

[slotdirt]

I don't get the Belmont for Rags. I would be Preakness or bust if I were them and really itching to run in another Triple Crown event.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Matz had some pretty pointed remarks about Union Rags' trip this morning when Caton Bredar interviewed him. Perhaps he's beginning to realize that Julien Leparoux is a TERRIBLE fit for that horse.

Which horse exactly would be a good fit for Lepeaux? Silky Sullivan? Rapido Dom (a Silky Sullivan type from Canada and Socal in the 80s)?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Matz had some pretty pointed remarks about Union Rags' trip this morning when Caton Bredar interviewed him. Perhaps he's beginning to realize that Julien Leparoux is a TERRIBLE fit for that horse.

He's a very overrated jock. That being said, after the start he had yesterday, I'm not sure that there was anything else he could have done. Was he really supposed to make some kind of early premature move when the pace was hot, in a race that looked like on paper like it was going to melt down? Then he was compromised even more on the backstretch when (I think it was) TCI backed up quickly causing him to check sharply. That was the final nail for him.

We always talk about racing luck and trips in this race and the horses that got the best trips yesterday ran 1-2. MG gave I'll Have Another an almost flawless ride yesterday from the 19 hole. Obviously it helped that he broke sharply, unfortunately for Union Rags, he did not.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

He's a very overrated jock. That being said, after the start he had yesterday, I'm not sure that there was anything else he could have done. Was he really supposed to make some kind of early premature move when the pace was hot, in a race that looked like on paper like it was going to melt down? Then he was compromised even more on the backstretch when (I think it was) TCI backed up quickly causing him to check sharply. That was the final nail for him.

We always talk about racing luck and trips in this race and the horses that got the best trips yesterday ran 1-2. MG gave I'll Have Another an almost flawless ride yesterday from the 19 hole. Obviously it helped that he broke sharply, unfortunately for Union Rags, he did not.

I haven't read much, but this is the first I have seen this mentioned. He performed tremendously on such a big stage for the first time. Obviously having a talented horse and having the race run as it appeared on paper was of great help. But I thought he gave a fantastic ride as well. Pretty good for a jock that was riding at Hastings last year.

[Sightseek]

Graphic of the race...

http://www.courier-journal.com/inter...cky-Derby-2012

[slotdirt]

Beyer on Bodemeister:

http://www.drf.com/news/beyer-bodeme...-derby-history