Dynaformer Gone...

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I was just reading Pace Advantage and a poster Theskalos called Dynaformer "the greatest sire of all-time"

Look, I'm a big Perfect Drift fan...but he and Barbaro are clear-cut the two best horses he ever sired.

If anyone is curious -- here are the ROI of Dynaformer offspring:

2011: 85-for-650 (13% wins) $1.30 ROI
2010: 94-for-710 (13% wins) $1.12 ROI
2009: 106-for-788 (13% wins) $1.21 ROI
2008: 97-for-765 (13% wins) $1.40 ROI
2007: 102-for-829 (12% wins) $1.30 ROI

His offspring have produced losses at atleast double the takeout rate in each of the last five years (as far back as my data goes) -- and with sample sizes of atleast 650 races each year.

I'm not sure what the more absurd comment is... calling him the greatest stallion ever or calling him specifically a great racehorse as numerous people now have in threads on Facebook.

Here is Dynaformer's career record in Grade 1 stakes as a race horse:

1988 Wood Memorial: 7th place finish
1988 Travers Stakes: 5th place finish
1988 Pegasus Handicap: 5th place finish
1989 San Fernando Stakes: 6th place finish
1989 Charles H Strub: 5th place finish
1989 Gulfstream Park Handicap: 6th place finish
1989 Bowling Green Handicap: 8th place finish
1989 Suburban Handicap: 9th place finish

In eight career starts at the Grade 1 stakes level -- Dynaformer never once finished better than 5th. That's not a racing record consistant with that of a great race horse.

The best horse in his crop was Risen Star -- Risen Star was 11-8-2-1 lifetime... he won the Preakness, won the Belmont by 15 lengths running the 2nd fastest time in the history of the race, was a troubled 3rd breaking from post position #1 in the Kentucky Derby ... like Dynaformer, he was out of a His Majesty mare.

If you took a poll asking people who the better race horse was -- Dynaformer or Risen Star -- I'd certainly bet the outcome of the poll would say Dynaformer and probably by a wide margin.

No Luv anymore for Critical Eye? You loved that filly so much I thought you were going to try to steal her.

Not so sure Risen Star was the best horse in that crop.